Anyone else live in a super dry climate?

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Originally I thought my waves growing limp had to do with going CG but I'm wondering if it is more because of the low dews.

I moved from the east coast to Phoenix last year and looking at pictures my hair was MUCH curlier. I also find that thought out the day my waves go limp and sag.

Any tips? I know it's good to avoid humectants but is there anything else? Should I be using a leave in in addition to my styler.

To give you am idea, winter dews here are in the low 30s (they've dropped to single digits iirc). In the summer the dews are in the 40s to low 50s and its very, very hot (today it was 117F). It's the desert so we don't get much rain.

Also, my hair is very porous and fine so I'm thinking that contributes to the problem.

I just want my hair to look like it did when I lived back east! I never realized just how big the difference was until I looked at pictures. I read Colorado Curly's blog and it was super helpful but I didn't see anything about keeping waves from going limp.
2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
Dry climate.


Work on your porosity with overnight coconut oil soaks on dry hair. How is your hair with protein little and often?
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
My hair seems to really like protein.. I've never experienced the stiffness that some people get from it. I currently use joico kpak once a week but should probably do it more often.

I've heard coconut oil can strip hair color? Is that true? Also, is there a specific kind (refined, virgin, etc)?
2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
Dry climate.


I live in Phoenix also. My hair is always a lot curlier once the monsoon season starts which is about a week away or so. I sometimes use Paul Mitchell "Round Trip" and it helps to make my hair curlier when there is not much moisture in the air. It contains PEG 12 Dimethicone but I think it is water soluble. My hair seems to like it.
My hair seems to really like protein.. I've never experienced the stiffness that some people get from it. I currently use joico kpak once a week but should probably do it more often.

I've heard coconut oil can strip hair color? Is that true? Also, is there a specific kind (refined, virgin, etc)?
Originally Posted by kaykre
I am semi permanent pink-red which is a tough colour to hold onto. Coconut oil doesn't strip my colour, it's stll bright/ rich at two to four months when I have to hit the roots so I don't always bother to colour the lengths. The published research just used refined coconut oil, it's the lauric acid that penetrates which is in all sold coconut oils.

If your hair likes protein you might try using hydrolysed protein little and often (in your regular leave in conditioner say) instead of just in deep treatments. Can help boost curls and volume.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
My hair seems to really like protein.. I've never experienced the stiffness that some people get from it. I currently use joico kpak once a week but should probably do it more often.

I've heard coconut oil can strip hair color? Is that true? Also, is there a specific kind (refined, virgin, etc)?
Originally Posted by kaykre
The Joice k-pak isn't as heavy hit of protein as other protein treatments such as CJ Repair Me and the Spiral Solutions pt. Though I've never used it, I've stayed away because it's been described as more of a DT with a bit of protein rather than a "true" PT. (Ask Chloe.) It's also got mineral oil so that may be building up and causing limpness.

I think you could probably afford more protein since you're fine-haired, and porous as well. If you don't feel like purchasing a PT you should try IAgirl's gelatin, which works really well and is super cheap.

You could probably benefit from styling products with protein as well. I don't know about the Deva gel but KCCC has no protein. (I'm still struggling to make KCCC work for me but I think I might throw in the towel.... protein styling products just give me much better results.) Fine hair generally deals better with protein.
fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: no guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, gelatin gel

Recent findings: my hair likes Cure Care diluted with water as a cowash; does NOT like guar h.c.!

iherb discount code: CFN646
As far as coconut oil, I always use extra virgin. At the very least it smells much better than refined.
fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: no guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, gelatin gel

Recent findings: my hair likes Cure Care diluted with water as a cowash; does NOT like guar h.c.!

iherb discount code: CFN646
As far as coconut oil, I always use extra virgin. At the very least it smells much better than refined.
Originally Posted by wavydaze
My cat thinks refined coconut oil smells delicious!!!
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
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Originally I thought my waves growing limp had to do with going CG but I'm wondering if it is more because of the low dews.

I moved from the east coast to Phoenix last year and looking at pictures my hair was MUCH curlier. I also find that thought out the day my waves go limp and sag.

Any tips? I know it's good to avoid humectants but is there anything else? Should I be using a leave in in addition to my styler.

To give you am idea, winter dews here are in the low 30s (they've dropped to single digits iirc). In the summer the dews are in the 40s to low 50s and its very, very hot (today it was 117F). It's the desert so we don't get much rain.

Also, my hair is very porous and fine so I'm thinking that contributes to the problem.

I just want my hair to look like it did when I lived back east! I never realized just how big the difference was until I looked at pictures. I read Colorado Curly's blog and it was super helpful but I didn't see anything about keeping waves from going limp.
Originally Posted by kaykre
I still like humectants and my dew points are similar...we only have a month or so in the 30 range. 40s and 50s are moderate, so they should be humectant safe...but you are more porous than I am.

The dew point is actually 61 today and I'm this close to dying from humidity. My west coast sensibilities can't even handle it.
TY all! I will try more protein and coconut oil.

Has anyone tried ouidad botanical boost? The ingredients look good.
Ouidad Botanical Boost Moisture Infusing and Refreshing Spray - NaturallyCurly.com


Water, Panthenol, Cetrimonium Chloride, Hydrolyzed Rice Protein, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Extract, Hydrolyzed Corn Protein, Centella Asiatica Extract, Hydrolyzed Wheat Starch, Panax Ginseng Root Extract, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, Rosa Canina Leaf Extract, Spirulina Maxima Extract, Methyl Gluceth-10, Butylene Glycol, Propylene Glycol, Benzophenone-4, Benzalkonium Chloride, Fragrance, Polysorbate 20, Sodium Hydroxide, Disodium EDTA, DMDM Hydantoin.
2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
Dry climate.


Originally I thought my waves growing limp had to do with going CG but I'm wondering if it is more because of the low dews.

I moved from the east coast to Phoenix last year and looking at pictures my hair was MUCH curlier. I also find that thought out the day my waves go limp and sag.

Any tips? I know it's good to avoid humectants but is there anything else? Should I be using a leave in in addition to my styler.

To give you am idea, winter dews here are in the low 30s (they've dropped to single digits iirc). In the summer the dews are in the 40s to low 50s and its very, very hot (today it was 117F). It's the desert so we don't get much rain.

Also, my hair is very porous and fine so I'm thinking that contributes to the problem.

I just want my hair to look like it did when I lived back east! I never realized just how big the difference was until I looked at pictures. I read Colorado Curly's blog and it was super helpful but I didn't see anything about keeping waves from going limp.
Originally Posted by kaykre
I still like humectants and my dew points are similar...we only have a month or so in the 30 range. 40s and 50s are moderate, so they should be humectant safe...but you are more porous than I am.

The dew point is actually 61 today and I'm this close to dying from humidity. My west coast sensibilities can't even handle it.
Originally Posted by Jessiebanana
I'm in the Bay Area. Did you get the rain? We got 1.5" here, and yuck, the humidity! I'm used to fog and damp, but it's not the same as humid heat. Plus now we're having a heat wave, and we usually don't get very warm here. I am not happy.

For the OP: it is dry here in the summer, but not arid. Dews are usually 40s and 50s (today about 61, but that's due to recent rain) all year round. I do fine with humectants, but don't go out of my way to seek out humectant-rich products. I do think I need to do protein treatments more often. I don't like doing "treatments," so I tend to get kind of lazy about them. I have a box of gelatin and need to use it!
3a/b, F, normal porosity

Wash with either Suave Tropical Coconut, As I Am, or CJ Daily Fix
Condition with STC or Yes to Blueberries and detangle with Denman, rinse very lightly (baptismal rinse)
Add LAL gel, either Sport or Wet Look, scrunch with flour sack towel, and plop
Diffuse 5 minutes, then air dry

Last edited by CurlyInTheFog; 06-28-2013 at 09:40 PM. Reason: addition
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 57
I am experiencing the same thing!
I am from the east coast too and now live in phoenix. My hair is sooo different.
I found in the winter here in phoenix AG recoil works wonders. I haven't used it since it got hot, as I am in and out of the pool and my hair is constantly up & down and wet. So I didn't want too waste it as it's kinda pricey.

I am struggling with finding a good summer product as I feel now my hair is limp and the curls falling throughout the day. I have just been wearing it up.

so let me know if you find anything that works!
Hair: lots of fine 2c/3a
Length: Mid back
Shampoo:Shea moisture coconut hibiscus
Cond:, suave naturals coconut
Post condition/Leave in: Shea moisture smoothie
HG:L'oreal evercurl gel. AG: Recoil,
I keep seeing posts about doing coconut oil soaks to help with porosity - do you literally just soak your whole head in it? How often?
3b in South Australia.
Depending on how much hair you have, just take a small amount of coconut oil (not too much at one time, because it'll get too gloppy), rub it in your palms, and then run your palms over and through your hair. Repeat until your hair is pretty well saturated with oil, which may take anywhere from a teaspoon to a tablespoon (a tablespoon would be for longer or very thick hair). Put your hair up or cover with a plastic cap. Then let it soak in for a couple of hours, or overnight if you can stand it, and shampoo or CO out. If you use CO, it helps to let the conditioner sit on your hair for 20 minutes or so, but it will get the oil out just fine.
3a/b, F, normal porosity

Wash with either Suave Tropical Coconut, As I Am, or CJ Daily Fix
Condition with STC or Yes to Blueberries and detangle with Denman, rinse very lightly (baptismal rinse)
Add LAL gel, either Sport or Wet Look, scrunch with flour sack towel, and plop
Diffuse 5 minutes, then air dry
Denver is pretty dry, but not quite as dry as Arizona. Today's dew point is mid 50s and the frizz forecast said it would be optimal waves/curls today and for the next three days. I must admit, I don't regularly check the frizz forecast, but this last week my hair was just meh. So, I mixed neutral protein filler with my leave in (VO5) and used KCCC, Eco Styler and, a Dep gel and have way better curls today. I am still struggling with the protein/moisture balance for my normal porosity hair, but I haven't had any of the protein overload symptoms I've seen mentioned here or on other threads.

I saved off the frizz forecast and will try to be better at checking it.

I've only been fully CG since January 2013, so it should be interesting to see how my hair is in Hawaii when I go in August. I'm usually in the ocean water so much and it's so hot and humid that my hair stays up 90% of the time. I am excited that I will only have to bring a bottle of VO5 conditioner with me to the beach to clean my hair instead of a bottle of shampoo and conditioner.

HTH
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Denver is pretty dry, but not quite as dry as Arizona. Today's dew point is mid 50s and the frizz forecast said it would be optimal waves/curls today and for the next three days. I must admit, I don't regularly check the frizz forecast, but this last week my hair was just meh. So, I mixed neutral protein filler with my leave in (VO5) and used KCCC, Eco Styler and, a Dep gel and have way better curls today. I am still struggling with the protein/moisture balance for my normal porosity hair, but I haven't had any of the protein overload symptoms I've seen mentioned here or on other threads.

I saved off the frizz forecast and will try to be better at checking it.

I've only been fully CG since January 2013, so it should be interesting to see how my hair is in Hawaii when I go in August. I'm usually in the ocean water so much and it's so hot and humid that my hair stays up 90% of the time. I am excited that I will only have to bring a bottle of VO5 conditioner with me to the beach to clean my hair instead of a bottle of shampoo and conditioner.

HTH
Originally Posted by KauaiMareCurl
I am in the Denver area too! Have cut out humectants and glycerin completely because these dews are so rare for us.
Katie
2C/3a, Medium Texture, Normal porosity, High Density, Normal Elasticity (so says the LCLF Hair analysis)
Co Wash: As I am
RO: Yes To Carrots / Ion
LI: Biotera / Samy Big Curls Defining Cream
Gel: FSG, Volumax (Original and Mega)
Color: Henna
Tools: Diffusing
Rytoka, what products are you using, please?!
Rytoka, what products are you using, please?!
Originally Posted by KauaiMareCurl
I make my own FSG and okra. I was putting honey or agave in but I think on my next batch I am going to sub those with some gel, I use TN for a co wash and detangler and GVPCB or ion effective care for rinse out. More TN for leave in. My favorite gels right now are Volumax and BRHG. It's been hard figuring everything out because so
many people on here live In more humid areas. Products just don't work the same here! Have been searching anti humectants like crazy
Katie
2C/3a, Medium Texture, Normal porosity, High Density, Normal Elasticity (so says the LCLF Hair analysis)
Co Wash: As I am
RO: Yes To Carrots / Ion
LI: Biotera / Samy Big Curls Defining Cream
Gel: FSG, Volumax (Original and Mega)
Color: Henna
Tools: Diffusing
I live in NM and the Kinky Curly line has been my HG. I've pretty much decided that with this weather my hair can't handle glycerin, so the KC line is good for that. I also slather myself with deep treatments - conditioning, protein, hot oil.
Modified CG - No Sulfates, No Silicones

Med to coarse, normal to high porosity, normal to high density. Likes protein, hates glycerin. 3A/Corkicelli

Poos: KC Come Clean, SM Moisture Retention
Co-Wash: As I Am Coconut Cowash
RO: Yes2Carrots, Mill Creeks Botanicals (Henna & Keratin), AO Honeysuckle Rose, GVP Conditioning Balm
LI: KC Knot Today (HG!), SM Milk, Y2C
Stylers: KC Curling Custard (HG!), Goddess Curls Gel
I live in an arid climate. Dews have been optimal lately though (mid to high 50's) in spite of the 90-100 degree weather. But when I was dealing with months of 30s and 40s dew points I found that the key is lots of moisture. If you're not getting it from the atmosphere, then you've gotta put it back in yourself. If I had fine hair, however, I'd be careful with the moisture and try to balance it with protein. As it is, I'm coarse and highly porous so I deep treat (with emollients) 2-3x a week and I always use leave in and always smooth on some conditioner in the mornings to revitalize my naturally dry curls. If I were you I'd try a leave in and see if it does anything. But I'd try a lighter leave in (not so rich) with some protein in it first. If you have a rinseout that meets the qualifications give that a go as your leave in and see how your hair responds. And keep us posted! Be careful in the sun too, BTW. For me it seriously dries my hair out. Bakes it almost.
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

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