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Old 07-01-2013, 02:07 AM   #1
 
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Default How to define Thick/dense/coarse 4a/4b curls??

I cannot get my curls to clump it does when wet, but o
nce my hair dries, they're gone ! I've tried eco styler and kccc & even taliah waajid curly curl cream, but none of them work for me bc as I run the product over my hair, there's not enough slip and my curls break up again ! Is there a concoction, mixture, method, or product that provides enough slip for my intensely coarse curls so that they won't break, but will still give hold ? Suggestions ? Thanks guys !
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Old 07-01-2013, 03:32 AM   #2
 
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Clumping is about conditioner as much as, if not more than, styling products. Is your leave in conditioner rich in fatty alcohols? What is your full routine and hair properties? Also check out the techniques stickies, there are threads on clumping.
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Old 07-01-2013, 03:23 PM   #3
 
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Your hair in those pics--that's your current length? Pretty! If I were you I would not worry too much about curl definition at that length. Focus more on making sure your hair is moisturized in good condition at all times. As it grows the curls will clump more but the moisture level is optimal. Have you ever watched the youtube videos by Mahoganycurls whenever she had a twa? They might be useful for you.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:17 PM   #4
 
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I LOVE your hair! Sorry I don't have any extra suggestions than the ones already posted. Plus I think it looks good as is.
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Aww thanks guys !! Sorry so late ! Summer school has been killer ! I got my last perm in January and so I've been natural for about 6 months now & have about 3 inches of growth! So I'm still pretty new to everything . For leave ins, they do tend to run a little on the thin side, but I'm not familiar with heavier ones, any suggestions would be awesome, but yes I'll definitely look into the clumping threads and see if I can find anything ! Thanks ladies ! (Ps I have not heard of mahogany, but now I will definitely look her up)
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Very tight curl types often don't clump chunkily enough to survive drying, without dousing your head in gel and making it crispy. There are few articles on CurlyNikki from guest bloggers, about their journey defining and styling their type 4b to c curls.

Mahoganycurls is great, but she is type 3c, so she may not be as much use styling wise.

I definitely recommend getting your hair as healthy as possible, but health is not directly associated with clumping for type 4s. If the coil is too small and tight it won't, even if it's the healthiest coil in the world. If you have a mixture, some 4a might clump, but the 4b might not.
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Old 07-14-2013, 06:02 AM   #7
 
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Aww thanks guys !! Sorry so late ! Summer school has been killer ! I got my last perm in January and so I've been natural for about 6 months now & have about 3 inches of growth! So I'm still pretty new to everything . For leave ins, they do tend to run a little on the thin side, but I'm not familiar with heavier ones, any suggestions would be awesome, but yes I'll definitely look into the clumping threads and see if I can find anything ! Thanks ladies ! (Ps I have not heard of mahogany, but now I will definitely look her up)
Rich and heavy are subtly different, don't confuse the two. A lot of people use their rinse out conditioner as a leave in, these tend to contain plenty of fatty alcohols and cationic surfactants, and obviously already in your bathroom!
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Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss ultimate volume, Inecto argan
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
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