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Old 07-01-2013, 02:52 AM   #1
 
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I've been having great hair for a while, so I thought I had figured out my routine and I was really happy about that. However, ever since my last wash (last Saturday) my hair seems to have lost it's curl.

My routine on washing days (once a week):
- Wash thoroughly with Curl Junkie Gentle Cleansing Shampoo.
- Aubrey Organics GPB as a rinse out (carefully detangle with wide-tooth brush, then let it sit for 5-10 minutes with my hair in a bun before rinsing).
- Smooth in homemade FSG (2 cups, water, 1/4 cup FSG, 1/2 tsp honey).
- Scrunch out excess water.
- Plop for an hour.

My routine on non-washing days (rest of the week):
- Re-wet my hair with shower head.
- Squeeze hair once to stop the waterfall of water that slides down my hair.
- Detangle carefully with wide-tooth brush.
- Smooth in homemade FSG.
- Scrunch out excess water.
- Plop for half an hour.

I don't have a picture at the moment, but my hair has definitely been less curly, less defined and just looks somewhat limp again. I have used my current routine consistently, so I have no idea what might be the cause. Additionally, while FSG held up great for an entire day, it doesn't quite reach until dinner time, which is a huge difference compared to before.

I'll see if I get the opportunity to take a decent picture later today (my hair is still wet but I can tell it's not going to be it's natural self). In the meantime, I'm hoping someone can share experiences and perhaps give me some tips.
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Old 07-01-2013, 05:05 AM   #2
 
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A few thoughts come to mind. If the weather is getting warmer, with higher dewpoints, it's time to up the protein. Even protein sensitive people tolerate more protein as the weather gets warmer. AO GPB just isn't enough. You should probably start doing PTs once a week and add some protein to FSG, or use products with protein.

Many of us rotate products. My hair has always satiated on product, even back in my shampoo/conditioner only days. My hair would get limp and lifeless, if I didn't change my shampoo/conditioner combo after a few weeks. Now, I wet, use a rinse out and style every day. Seldom let myself use any one product more then once every five days, if that.
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Old 07-01-2013, 05:50 AM   #3
 
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Laura- the brushing is new in your routine, isn't it? When I brush at all, I lose curl.
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about the brushing: have you tried rinsing again after brushing? I never ever ever brush after all the rinsing is done, I always rinse after combing to encourage my hair to clump again

Totally offtopic: Laura, where do you get your AO GPB? (I bought mine at Iherb, but I'm wondering if I can get it somewhere nearer since I go through conditioner really fast...so I would like to be able to buy in bulk without custom ripping me off )
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:21 AM   #5
 
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Kathymack, the weather has been fairly inconsistent. Usually it's getting warmer by now, but it's going up and down. However, upping the protein might be a good idea. I don't have any money right now due to unfortunate circumstances, but adding protein to my FSG might be a good solution. Do you have any suggestions? Also, I like to take my time for research and seeing that I can't immediately buy a new conditioner, this might be the right time to look into new products. Do you have any recommendations?

Chloe, brushing is not new to my routine. My hair never used to tangle but it looks so tangly when I don't brush it. I'm thinking this is the result of AO GPB for some reason, but it's the only protein I have in my routine at this point so I feel that I can't omit it. However, any suggestions on how to style my hair and make it look nice without brushing are welcome!

Neleke, I got it at iHerb because it was so cheap over there! I chose the cheapest shipping method and I didn't have to pay any customs because it was the only product I ordered. If you order it in the Netherlands or Belgium, you'd have to pay around 15,- if I'm correct.

I've checked a few webshops I know:
Aubrey Organics Glycogen Protein Balancing (GPB) Conditioner - Curly Hair Shop
https://www.naturalblackhair.nl/merk...nditioner.html

It's even more expensive than I thought
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Ughh... Ok, I will keep on ordering it at Iherb
Even with customs (If I order to much at a time ) it will be cheaper.
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Can you get Schwarzkopf Gliss (Kur) Ultimate Volume conditioner? Neleke kindly introduced me to it: plenty of hydrolysed protein, very cheap here in the UK at 1.
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Probably! We do have Schwarzkopf Gliss Kur so I'm guessing it should be available. Is it natural? My hair prefers natural products :-)
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Probably! We do have Schwarzkopf Gliss Kur so I'm guessing it should be available. Is it natural? My hair prefers natural products :-)
"water, cetearyl alcohol, hydrolyzed collagen, panthenol, cocodimonium hydroxypropyl hydrolyzed keratin, hydrolyzed keratin, isopropyl myristate, behonoyl PG-trimonium chloride, citric acid, VP/VA copolymer, phenoxyethanol, behentrimonium chloride, sodium methylparaben, hexylene glycol, fragrance, polyquaternium-37, dicaprylyl carbonate, hexyl cinnamal, amyl cinnamal, limonene, linalool, benzyl salicylate."
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Aw it has a polyquat They give me frizz when my hair is wet and cause massive build-up, unfortunately. Thanks for the suggestion though! Always appreciated :-)
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Aw it has a polyquat They give me frizz when my hair is wet and cause massive build-up, unfortunately. Thanks for the suggestion though! Always appreciated :-)
Polyquats are only loosely a 'family' they have a wide range of different properties. Some are completely water soluble and some are known to build up, they aren't even all as closely related as silicones. Don't write them all off, note that there is less polyquat than even fragrance.

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Probably! We do have Schwarzkopf Gliss Kur so I'm guessing it should be available. Is it natural? My hair prefers natural products :-)
"water, cetearyl alcohol, hydrolyzed collagen, panthenol, cocodimonium hydroxypropyl hydrolyzed keratin, hydrolyzed keratin, isopropyl myristate, behonoyl PG-trimonium chloride, citric acid, VP/VA copolymer, phenoxyethanol, behentrimonium chloride, sodium methylparaben, hexylene glycol, fragrance, polyquaternium-37, dicaprylyl carbonate, hexyl cinnamal, amyl cinnamal, limonene, linalool, benzyl salicylate."
I think I might try this for myself! Thank you for the suggestion!
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A few thoughts come to mind. If the weather is getting warmer, with higher dewpoints, it's time to up the protein. Even protein sensitive people tolerate more protein as the weather gets warmer. AO GPB just isn't enough. You should probably start doing PTs once a week and add some protein to FSG, or use products with protein.

Many of us rotate products. My hair has always satiated on product, even back in my shampoo/conditioner only days. My hair would get limp and lifeless, if I didn't change my shampoo/conditioner combo after a few weeks. Now, I wet, use a rinse out and style every day. Seldom let myself use any one product more then once every five days, if that.
Thanks Kathymack! I know it's probably been said before about upping protein in higher dew, but it finally clicked when I read your response
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Aw it has a polyquat They give me frizz when my hair is wet and cause massive build-up, unfortunately. Thanks for the suggestion though! Always appreciated :-)
Polyquats are only loosely a 'family' they have a wide range of different properties. Some are completely water soluble and some are known to build up, they aren't even all as closely related as silicones. Don't write them all off, note that there is less polyquat than even fragrance.

Polyquats as Conditioning Agents
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No-poo Jillipoo: Silicones, polyquats, and soap
You're right, thanks for pointing that out! I'll have a look at the links tonight when I'm not in a hurry :-)
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Today I used my sulfate poo to get a clean slate again, used my low-poo and did the gelatine PT since I had some gelatine left. After that I decided to go with CJ Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil as my RO. Then FSG. My hair is much happier than it has been! Perhaps I just needed a clean slate. Also, maybe AO GPB isn't as great as it seemed to be. I can't detangle with it at all! I didn't notice that until I used my CJ condish today, what a difference!
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Today I used my sulfate poo to get a clean slate again, used my low-poo and did the gelatine PT since I had some gelatine left. After that I decided to go with CJ Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil as my RO. Then FSG. My hair is much happier than it has been! Perhaps I just needed a clean slate. Also, maybe AO GPB isn't as great as it seemed to be. I can't detangle with it at all! I didn't notice that until I used my CJ condish today, what a difference!
Protein conditioners are not for slip and detangling, that is different ingredients.
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CJ Repair Me! had good slip. It's a bit of a hybrid. It might be something to consider for a future purchase.
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