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Old 07-05-2013, 07:51 PM   #1
 
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Default Protein and Moisture Balance Question...

For the past few days I've been using my protein rich RO as both a RO and leave in. Prior to that I was either using a different leave in or none at all. For reference it's Paul Mitchell Awapuhi Wild Ginger Keratin Cream Rinse - NaturallyCurly.com.

Since I've been doing this my hair has been much curlier... It was looking 2A-ish and now it's looking 2C with some spirals underneath. Weird.... I thought the leave in would weigh it down somewhat. It's also been significantly less frizzy. There's been no change in techniques and very little scrunching so I'm fairly sure it's the leave in.

Anyways... Does this mean my hair needs protein and moisture? I've been focusing on protein but not so much on moisture.
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Old 07-05-2013, 08:02 PM   #2
 
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I believe maintaining both is very essential. I think the best way to know is to actually try a PT yourself. Here is a homemade one, very cheap:

Pedaheh's Hair Blog: Science-y Hair Blog Recipes

I think it very important to maintain both and don't want to be mislead into not thinking you don't need protein, just in case. You don't want breakage to be the first clue that you need protein (that was my problem).

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Old 07-05-2013, 08:06 PM   #3
 
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I believe maintaining both is very essential. I think the best way to know is to actually try a PT yourself. Here is a homemade one, very cheap:

Pedaheh's Hair Blog: Science-y Hair Blog Recipes

I think it very important to maintain both and don't want to be mislead into not thinking you don't need protein, just in case. You don't want breakage to be the first clue that you need protein (that was my problem).

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TY! I'm fairly sure I need protein and have been doing treatments for awhile (though not thehomemade one which I'm told is more potent). I guess I always just figure that since I need protein I don't need moisture.
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Old 07-05-2013, 08:14 PM   #4
 
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It's hard to figure out that balance! It is also about trial and error too.
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I believe maintaining both is very essential. I think the best way to know is to actually try a PT yourself. Here is a homemade one, very cheap:

Pedaheh's Hair Blog: Science-y Hair Blog Recipes

I think it very important to maintain both and don't want to be mislead into not thinking you don't need protein, just in case. You don't want breakage to be the first clue that you need protein (that was my problem).

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TY! I'm fairly sure I need protein and have been doing treatments for awhile (though not thehomemade one which I'm told is more potent). I guess I always just figure that since I need protein I don't need moisture.
I've always found that my hair likes lots of both. I know some people who say that adding protein is the only way their hair is able to hold onto moisture.
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Old 07-06-2013, 03:02 AM   #6
 
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Hair definitely needs both but the amount needed of each varies from person to person. It sounds like your hair is very happy with what you're doing right now so keep it up
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Old 07-06-2013, 04:40 AM   #7
 
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The finer the hair, the more protein it might crave. Same goes for highly porous hair, it really benefits from protein.

Not to say that coarse hair or a lower porosity hair does not need it, I believe it will still benefit from protein it just may be trickier finding a proper amount. I have coarse strands/normal porosity and I personally do not do protein treatments, but my leave-ins contain some hydrolyzed protein (not within the first 5 ingredients) and that works very well for me.
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Old 07-06-2013, 07:32 AM   #8
 
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Fine hair generally needs protein regularly much of the year, very porous hair generally needs something to reduce the porosity (anti humectants/ coconut oil) and protein. It may need moisturising ingredients depending how dry the hair is and the dew points/ humidity, but humectants are likely to make it dry out and/ or frizz in the wrong dews. Many people do well with more protein in the summer.

It's worth remembering that most products don't nealty sit in a box of protein OR moisture OR anti humectant/ sealant. Your Paul Mitchell conditioner still contains ingredients that act as a humectant (protein) and that can help retain hydration (cationic surfactants and fatty alcohols) so it still lightly 'moisturises'.

It seems your hair is telling you that the Paul Mitchell is holding just the right amount of water close to your hair and supplying just the right amount of protein to strengthen the bonds and tighten the curl. Whatever you were using before was not.
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