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Old 07-06-2013, 10:18 AM   #1
 
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Default PT on right now HELP!?

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I have aigirl's PT on right now. This is what i included in it:
1/3 cup water
1 packet knoxx gelatin
the vinegar (forgot measurement)
2 tsp coconut oil
1 tsp honey
1 tsp suave coconut conditioner

It says that i'm supposed to just rinse it out right? No lo-poo needed? what about the coconut oil, how do i get that out? I didn't realize this when i was adding the oil.

Wavydaze!!! Are you online?? You told me not to DT or condition after. How do i remove the oil!!
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Coconut oil comes out with conditioner, is that the ratio of conditioner to oil and other ingredients that others are using successfully or did you come up with that mix yourself?
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Old 07-06-2013, 10:25 AM   #3
 
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Just rinse it well then apply a rinse out conditioner and/or leave-in. If it feels stiff or like there's still stuff in your hair when you rinse, then co-wash. If it still feels "stiff" then do a DT.
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Old 07-06-2013, 10:28 AM   #4
 
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Coconut oil comes out with conditioner, is that the ratio of conditioner to oil and other ingredients that others are using successfully or did you come up with that mix yourself?
AIgirls' recipe i followed exactly. Under the recipe it says optional add ins:

Optional add-ins:
1 teaspoon honey
yogurt
2 to 3 teaspoons of conditioner
coconut milk
use herbal tea instead of plain water
more vinegar if you fancy
more oil - up to 2 tablespoons of olive or coconut oil for dry hair, grapeseed or apricot kernel oil for less-dry hair
1 tablespoon aloe vera juice or gel (not with banana)
1/4 pureed banana (in a blender) - note, banana can be unpredictable, don't add any vinegar or acid with banana. Banana baby food works well.
1/16 or 1/8 teaspoon magnesium sulfate

I didn't know there had to be an actual 1:1 ration with conditioner and oil...
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Lo-poo: SM yucca
Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut
LI: SM yucca Milk, Suave Naturals Coconut
Gel: LA Looks Mega Hold (Green), LA Looks NutraCurl with Avocado

Sometimes I pixie diffuse, Always towel turban, Finally stopped touching while wet , Always SOTC, lose curl definition and get frizzy after a few hours.

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Old 07-06-2013, 10:31 AM   #5
 
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You should be fine. Let us know how it turns out! Don't leave it on too long if this is your first time!
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Old 07-06-2013, 10:31 AM   #6
 
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Apparently there doesn't, it says teaspoon for one and tablespoon for another?
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Old 07-06-2013, 10:33 AM   #7
 
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i've had it on for about 10 minutes so i'm going to rinse it out now and post again later when it's dry. Thank for your help ladies!!!
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LI: SM yucca Milk, Suave Naturals Coconut
Gel: LA Looks Mega Hold (Green), LA Looks NutraCurl with Avocado

Sometimes I pixie diffuse, Always towel turban, Finally stopped touching while wet , Always SOTC, lose curl definition and get frizzy after a few hours.

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Old 07-06-2013, 10:57 AM   #8
 
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I did it for the first time today too. I added just a pinch of citric acid and 1/2 teaspoon coconut oil. I know you used much more oil. I just rinsed with water and let the oil stay on my hair. It's still damp, but I don't think it's going to feel oily.
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Old 07-06-2013, 12:08 PM   #9
 
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I'm not impressed...it did rinse right out with water alone. Then i added some suave naturals coconut as a leave in and scrunched in my lalooks gel. Here are pictures of different angles and lighting. The last picture is before i sotc.

Eta: it doesn't look bad at all, but i don't see a drastic difference.

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Lo-poo: SM yucca
Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut
LI: SM yucca Milk, Suave Naturals Coconut
Gel: LA Looks Mega Hold (Green), LA Looks NutraCurl with Avocado

Sometimes I pixie diffuse, Always towel turban, Finally stopped touching while wet , Always SOTC, lose curl definition and get frizzy after a few hours.

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Old 07-06-2013, 12:32 PM   #10
 
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If your hair is lacking in protein it may take a few treatments to see a difference. I did one a couple of days ago, and I think I should have done a DT after because my hair was a little rough. My hair likes protein in products, but protein treatments need some extra moisture. Maybe next time I'll add conditioner to the mix.
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Old 07-06-2013, 01:05 PM   #11
 
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I'm not impressed...it did rinse right out with water alone. Then i added some suave naturals coconut as a leave in and scrunched in my lalooks gel. Here are pictures of different angles and lighting. The last picture is before i sotc.

Eta: it doesn't look bad at all, but i don't see a drastic difference.

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You only left it on ten minutes, you won't have much penetration in that time!

The instant gratification you get with commercial deep treatments is often silicones, anything that is truly working on hair at a deeper level by patch repairing or penetrating may take multiple treatments to take effect, remember hair is dead.
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Deep Conditioning : What Ingredients in Hair Conditioner Penetrate Hair?
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Size matters : Protein Conditioning (part 1 of 2)
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Protein Conditioners for hair: part 2 of 2
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CO-wash: Inecto coconut
Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss ultimate volume, Inecto argan
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Old 07-06-2013, 01:23 PM   #12
 
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Now I'm confused, because the gelatin PT directions say to leave on as little as 3 minutes. I did that and saw a big difference in my hair.
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Now I'm confused, because the gelatin PT directions say to leave on as well as the little as 3 minutes. I did that and saw a big difference in my hair.
Don't be confused! Note that Curlyinthefog and I both used the word 'may'.

You won't get much if any aBsorption in that time, but you might well get aDsorption, how much highly variable due to the differences in our hair. My hair eats protein at the moment, but I do have chemical treated/ damaged hair so that is not surprising. No doubt some would be quickly overproteined with the same regime.

Furthermore gelatin is not a homogenous substance, some brands will be smaller and some larger molecules. There will also be variation in the recipes used: which conditioner, how much of the additives, how thick or thin we spread the mix and so on. Some will be applying after an anionic shampoo, some after a cationic conditioner wash ....
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I'm not impressed...it did rinse right out with water alone. Then i added some suave naturals coconut as a leave in and scrunched in my lalooks gel. Here are pictures of different angles and lighting. The last picture is before i sotc.
If you have any residual oil in your hair it may dtag a little until you get it all out. It really depends on your hair and how it reacts to coconut oil. I could tell I had extra oil in my hair in the past by the way my gel didn't develop any cast as it normally did. That might not be the case with you.
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Thanks, Firefox. As usual, it's all more complicated than how I wish it would be.
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Thanks, Firefox. As usual, it's all more complicated than how I wish it would be.
Teehee, ain't it the truth! I only left mine on about 3 minutes, too, and noticed a difference. My hair's in pretty good condition, though, and I don't think very porous, so likely not starving for protein.
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Old 07-06-2013, 08:01 PM   #17
 
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Update: So i did the pt about 8 or 9 hours ago. I found my hair was more curly, less wavy, a little more flat not as puffy and voluminous, and slightly less frizzy.

Now, its kinda frizzy but its been all day...I'll continue doing protein filler in my ro and li and another pt next week.I'll also leave it on longer next time. The instructions said to only leave it on for a short time if its your first time, that's why i only did 15 minutes.

Here are my right now pics, the last pic is terrible. I have really low density hair and i have a terrible cut but I'm trying to grow it out. Oh well, you got what you got!

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Currently using but not sure if i'm loving:

Lo-poo: SM yucca
Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut
LI: SM yucca Milk, Suave Naturals Coconut
Gel: LA Looks Mega Hold (Green), LA Looks NutraCurl with Avocado

Sometimes I pixie diffuse, Always towel turban, Finally stopped touching while wet , Always SOTC, lose curl definition and get frizzy after a few hours.

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You only left it on ten minutes, you won't have much penetration in that time!
Completely disagree. I've left the gelatin PT (simple recipe, no optional add-ins) on for 5 mins with great results. Recently I did SS's PT treatment and left that on for 10 minutes... again, great hit of protein, great results!
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You only left it on ten minutes, you won't have much penetration in that time!
Completely disagree. I've left the gelatin PT (simple recipe, no optional add-ins) on for 5 mins with great results. Recently I did SS's PT treatment and left that on for 10 minutes... again, great hit of protein, great results!
As I said "You won't get much if any aBsorption in that time, but you might well get aDsorption, how much highly variable due to the differences in our hair. My hair eats protein at the moment, but I do have chemical treated/ damaged hair so that is not surprising. No doubt some would be quickly overproteined with the same regime."
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CO-wash: Inecto coconut
Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss ultimate volume, Inecto argan
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
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Janicke, I think your hair looks really nice!

I already PMed you. I would just recommend next time doing the simple gelatin PT w/ no add-ins.... see how you like it. It will be more a more "clean" PT, instead of a mixed PT/DT with all the oils and conditioner. You can use RO after the PT.
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