How to prepare for a color treatment???

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After tossing the idea around for about a year, I've finally decided to go ahead and have my hair colored. It's finally long enough for an ombre and I'm actually really excited!

But....I've dyed my hair out of a box quite a but in the past and attribute much of my current damage and porosity to this. It's in decent shape now, but still dry regardless of all my attempts to impart moisture. I am high porosity and protein sensitive (I seem to be able to tolerate only very small amounts). I know many of you color as well, and I've heard that protein treatments can help with color damage. I've done one protein treatment before, and it was a nightmare, but I wonder if I should try again before or after I color? What type specifically should I try? Should I do it right before my appointment, right after, or when else? I will be having it colored professionally, so I assume her professional products will be better for my hair than the box stuff, right? Any advice is certainly welcome!
2C normal/high porosity?, medium/coarse texture, lower density
Cleanse: Pura D'Or every week or two, Yes to Cukes
Conditioner: VO5 Kiwi Lime (LOVE!), Tresemme Naturals, YTC
DT: GVP Conditioning Balm w/ coconut oil
LI: a touch of JCTS
Products: my HG is Tresemme Bouncy Curls Defining Gel mixed with a touch of BRHG over a little flax seed gel, SM Souflee/Milk for 2nd day hair, occasionally Bioterra Curling Creme and Gel
Modified CG since November 2012- finally found what works!
WavyRoo, this is a question that I've had also because more than a little protein makes my hair straw like and brittle. However, I do use it this way:

A few days before I color my hair (I do it myself) after shampoo I use Curl Junkie Repair Me which is a moisturizing Protein Treatment. I find it is definitely gentler than Emergencee which was the protein treatment I had tried previously. I leave the Repair Me on for a minute, rinse thorough and then put on gobs of Curl Junkie Curl Rehab which is a deep treatment. I never have the patience to wait more than 3-4 minutes even though I'm sure it would be better to wait more. Then I rinse that and follow my usual routines with whatever conditioner, styling agent, etc. I am using.

A few days after that, I color my hair. I don't do anything else with protein at that time, I just use lots of moisturizer.

I am satisfied that these 2 products help my hair be in better condition before it is colored. Good luck to you, and let us know what works for you!
2/c and some 3A. Modified CG.
Protein sensitive
Highly porous. Color over grey.
Best 1st day method: Super Soaker
Conditioners: Curl Junkie Beauticurls Strengthening Conditioner,
Deep condish: Curl Junkie Curl Rehab
Stylers: Mix Curls in a Bottle into everything for shine. Terrible pj
Sometimes try roller sets - classic glamor but I prefer my curls.
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After tossing the idea around for about a year, I've finally decided to go ahead and have my hair colored. It's finally long enough for an ombre and I'm actually really excited!

But....I've dyed my hair out of a box quite a but in the past and attribute much of my current damage and porosity to this. It's in decent shape now, but still dry regardless of all my attempts to impart moisture. I am high porosity and protein sensitive (I seem to be able to tolerate only very small amounts). I know many of you color as well, and I've heard that protein treatments can help with color damage.

I've done one protein treatment before, and it was a nightmare, but I wonder if I should try again before or after I color? What type specifically should I try? Should I do it right before my appointment, right after, or when else? I will be having it colored professionally, so I assume her professional products will be better for my hair than the box stuff, right? Any advice is certainly welcome!
Originally Posted by WavyRoo
Sorry to be a damp squib but .... How many times have the lengths/ ends been dyed and how much lighter than your natural did you go? Is your stylist going to run strand tests? Do you still have old box dye in your hair that is darker than you want?

The most damaging thing you can do colour wise is dye over the top of old dye, persulphate bleach/ peroxide eats away at the structural proteins and protective fatty f-layer. You risk hair breaking off or all your curl disappearing.

Most salon colours are basically the same as box dyes, persulphate bleach and/ or peroxide, a highly alkaline developer. There are a few acid dyes around now which are gentler, don't know if they would give the results you are looking for.

May I ask how you diagnosed yourself with protein sensitivity, what products and techniques you tried, if you tried hardcore hydrolysed protein and/ or daily hydrolysed protein? Are you saying you only try it once, what did you follow up with if so?

If your hair remains dry and porous what is it about your hair that is in better shape, have you trimmed off the worst of the damage? Have you been doing overnight coconut oil soaks?

Beneficial ingredients for colour damaged or porous hair include hydrolysed protein, coconut oil, ceramides and panthenol. The fomer two are the ones that are for colour preparation but note that I said ingredients. Many people can't use them straight up, that doesn't make anyone protein sensitive or oil sensitive, just needing a balance in their routine just as we need balance and variety in a healthy diet.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
What the heck is a damp squib??? You Brits....

I color about 2-3 times a year and have done so for about 2 years. I have dyed once since I went CG in November and used henna once since then as well. The box dye didn't drastically change my color, but really just gave me red highlights in the sun. My husband didn't even notice when I did it, but he is a man, after all. My reddish highlights are practically non-existent now since they've faded and become dull. I do have about 2 inches of root growth that is a darker brown (no red naturally, poo) than the length. I would ideally have most of my hair dyed darker to match my roots, with it fading into an auburn mid-length down. So I supposed the ends would have to be bleached.

My hair has never broken off, even brushing pre-CG. Whenever I find hair anywhere, it's shed and has the root attached, so I'm lucky in that. I can see the potential of loosing curl, though. My ends are already scraggly, but much less so than they used to be. That's why I said its in better shape. I've been trying like crazy to moisturize and the ends seem to be curling better and holding curl longer. I took that as a good sign!

My self diagnosis of protein sensitivity came after I tried the Ion Reconstructor from Sally's. I thought I had overconditioned since my hair was limp, supersoft (something extremely NOT like my normal hair), and felt really weird and slimy when wet. So, after reading reviews on here, I tried the Reconstructor. I had no idea what I was doing and simply followed the instructions on the package. Wow that was bad. I had no curl, no clumps, no shine. It turned my hair into a frizzy, dry, coarse, straightish, mess. I did not follow the protein treatment with anything other than my basic RO, so I'm sure that contributed to the problem!

At this point I almost wish I could get over conditioned again! My hair is never soft nor shiny no matter what I do. I continued to used daily products with protein in them after my fiasco (Deva, SM, LaLooks, etc) and my hair wasn't really improving. I cut them out completely and have had more luck. While it's by no means great, it is closer to feeling soft, getting curlier and bouncier, and holding curl better without frizzing.

I have yet to try your coconut oil DT- I will definitely try tonight or tomorrow. I hope that helps it as much as it helps yours! Do you think I should give a protein treatment another shot? Terrified.
2C normal/high porosity?, medium/coarse texture, lower density
Cleanse: Pura D'Or every week or two, Yes to Cukes
Conditioner: VO5 Kiwi Lime (LOVE!), Tresemme Naturals, YTC
DT: GVP Conditioning Balm w/ coconut oil
LI: a touch of JCTS
Products: my HG is Tresemme Bouncy Curls Defining Gel mixed with a touch of BRHG over a little flax seed gel, SM Souflee/Milk for 2nd day hair, occasionally Bioterra Curling Creme and Gel
Modified CG since November 2012- finally found what works!
What the heck is a damp squib??? You Brits....

I color about 2-3 times a year and have done so for about 2 years. I have dyed once since I went CG in November and used henna once since then as well. The box dye didn't drastically change my color, but really just gave me red highlights in the sun. My husband didn't even notice when I did it, but he is a man, after all. My reddish highlights are practically non-existent now since they've faded and become dull. I do have about 2 inches of root growth that is a darker brown (no red naturally, poo) than the length. I would ideally have most of my hair dyed darker to match my roots, with it fading into an auburn mid-length down. So I supposed the ends would have to be bleached.

My hair has never broken off, even brushing pre-CG. Whenever I find hair anywhere, it's shed and has the root attached, so I'm lucky in that. I can see the potential of loosing curl, though. My ends are already scraggly, but much less so than they used to be. That's why I said its in better shape. I've been trying like crazy to moisturize and the ends seem to be curling better and holding curl longer. I took that as a good sign!

My self diagnosis of protein sensitivity came after I tried the Ion Reconstructor from Sally's. I thought I had overconditioned since my hair was limp, supersoft (something extremely NOT like my normal hair), and felt really weird and slimy when wet. So, after reading reviews on here, I tried the Reconstructor. I had no idea what I was doing and simply followed the instructions on the package. Wow that was bad. I had no curl, no clumps, no shine. It turned my hair into a frizzy, dry, coarse, straightish, mess. I did not follow the protein treatment with anything other than my basic RO, so I'm sure that contributed to the problem!

At this point I almost wish I could get over conditioned again! My hair is never soft nor shiny no matter what I do. I continued to used daily products with protein in them after my fiasco (Deva, SM, LaLooks, etc) and my hair wasn't really improving. I cut them out completely and have had more luck. While it's by no means great, it is closer to feeling soft, getting curlier and bouncier, and holding curl better without frizzing.

I have yet to try your coconut oil DT- I will definitely try tonight or tomorrow. I hope that helps it as much as it helps yours! Do you think I should give a protein treatment another shot? Terrified.
Originally Posted by WavyRoo
Helpful response, thank you. When was the last time you chelated/ clarified? Do you go swimming or have hard water? Have you been dying just the roots each time or the entire lengths?

It worries me that your ends are scraggy and were previously curling poorly which might suggest significant damage, you can temporarily patch repair with protein and increase elasticity with coconut oil but you can never permanently repair them, so the next bleaching could be 'terminal'. Definitely do strand tests unless you are willing to risk losing the ends entirely. Breaking off/ white dots I class as more than damage, the technical term in my head is 'fried'!!

I also would not call using a hardcore protein without any deep treatment and having a bad result protein sensitive, there is too much extremism and drama surrounding protein on these forums. We aren't all protein sensitive or protein craving, most of us are somewhere in the middle. Just sound like you overused it/ didn't balance your routine at that time! Consider a lightweight protein treatment just on the more damaged areas, in the form of a everyday type conditioner (but not used daily) or ensuring you use a penetration enhancer and cleanse the excess off thoroughly. Coarse hair tends not to like hardcore protein.

This is a gentle protein treatment, it also contains ceramides which are lost from coloured hair, and panthenol which adheres to damaged areas, protecting and 'moisturising'
Products - Komaza Care

This product is more hardcore, NOT suggesting you purchase it but instead steal their ideas! I have done so (by layering the old, drying version of this product with CURLS Milkshake) and it did actually work, my hair was quite decent afterwards.
"We found that using Aloe Vera along with Behentrimonium Methosulfate creates a more effective protein treatment. Aloe Vera paired with Behentrimonium Methosulfate act as a carrier for the proteins allowing them to further penetrate the hair shaft to minimize protein build-up."
Products - Komaza Care
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 07-07-2013 at 08:19 PM.
I usually just dye the roots to make them match, so I don't think I'm compounding damage on the ends each time. The only real sign of damage on the ends is the general dryness and lack of curl. I don't have any split ends or white dots...I'm not sure what that means or why that shows it's fried. The only white dots I see are from the actual follicle when that strand sheds naturally. I'm super worried about the possible terminal effects now, though.

My coconut oil/honey/conditioner treatment is on as we speak and I'll low poo tomorrow to get it all out. I use Pura D'or as my low poo once every couple of weeks, but I guess it's just a fairly normal coca betaine poo- not a chelater/clarifier. I don't swim and have normal water and assumed my occasional low poo would take care of any buildup. Does it sound like I need to clarify? I'm not sure what build-up looks like other than wet frizz which I seem to be free from. I do occasionally use a Tresemme mousse that has polyquats in it and a Pantene spray gel with paraben just to smooth down the crown frizz when I pull it back, but my hair seems to really like them and I usually low poo after I've used them a few times. Hmmmm.

I'll definitely check out the product links - thank you! Do you know of anything similar that I could pick up at a drugstore or Sally's? I HATE waiting for shipping!
2C normal/high porosity?, medium/coarse texture, lower density
Cleanse: Pura D'Or every week or two, Yes to Cukes
Conditioner: VO5 Kiwi Lime (LOVE!), Tresemme Naturals, YTC
DT: GVP Conditioning Balm w/ coconut oil
LI: a touch of JCTS
Products: my HG is Tresemme Bouncy Curls Defining Gel mixed with a touch of BRHG over a little flax seed gel, SM Souflee/Milk for 2nd day hair, occasionally Bioterra Curling Creme and Gel
Modified CG since November 2012- finally found what works!

Last edited by WavyRoo; 07-08-2013 at 12:35 AM.
I usually just dye the roots to make them match, so I don't think I'm compounding damage on the ends each time. The only real sign of damage on the ends is the general dryness and lack of curl. I don't have any split ends or white dots...I'm not sure what that means or why that shows it's fried. The only white dots I see are from the actual follicle when that strand sheds naturally. I'm super worried about the possible terminal effects now, though.

My coconut oil/honey/conditioner treatment is on as we speak and I'll low poo tomorrow to get it all out. I use Pura D'or as my low poo once every couple of weeks, but I guess it's just a fairly normal coca betaine poo- not a chelater/clarifier. I don't swim and have normal water and assumed my occasional low poo would take care of any buildup. Does it sound like I need to clarify? I'm not sure what build-up looks like other than wet frizz which I seem to be free from. I do occasionally use a Tresemme mousse that has polyquats in it and a Pantene spray gel with paraben just to smooth down the crown frizz when I pull it back, but my hair seems to really like them and I usually low poo after I've used them a few times. Hmmmm.

I'll definitely check out the product links - thank you! Do you know of anything similar that I could pick up at a drugstore or Sally's? I HATE waiting for shipping!
Originally Posted by WavyRoo
Just be sure to have a trim and run strand tests, you are being super sensible by preparing. The good news is that certain preparation/ protection methods come out of published research they are not just old wive's tales - chelating, coconut oil, hydrolysed protein definitely are. You can shift coconut oil with conditioner, may of us find that works better and is gentler than shampoo.

That's good if you only dye the roots, it's worth then looking more seriously at other reasons for your ends being the way they are. I would definitely clarify: cocoamidopropyl betaine should take care of product build up but won't deal with minerals. Mineral build up can definitely cause ends to appear damaged - might not be that but you its recommended to chelate to prep for bleaching anyway. I *think* Sally's sells ION chelating sachets/ swimmers shampoo.

Can't find full ingredients for your shampoo but are there any minerals/ salts (zinc, sodium chloride) in it since it seems to be anti dandruff/ hair loss? I have no idea whether that would deposit enough to cause or contribute to an issue, but it's worth erring on the side of caution. Some polyquats need sulphates to shift - IIRC 4, 7 and 10 are some of the worst offenders for build up.

I'm not in the US unfortunately. Ceramides without silicones don't seem to be easy to come by, but hopefully someone else will be able to recommend a lightweight protein/ panthenol product.

To me 'fried' hair there is no way back from: splits and white dots or stretchy and thin or generally looking really straw like there is no way back from, the hair is unsalvageable/ needs cutting ASAP if it is not to damage healthier hair. There is a stage before that where hair is damaged/ has increased porosity but can be held onto with the right treatments, ones that are proven to strengthen. That hair can be made to look and feel decent but at the same time is high risk for getting to 'fried' if we don't treat our hair like a cashmere sweater.

Some people (even some stylists) say hair is not damaged if it's looks and feels decent, but I think that is a dangerous path because it can lead to us being complacent and risk taking. Any hair that has been chemical processed or heat treated a few times will have some damage, that damage will clearly show under a microscope. We don't have to beat ourselves up (I certainly don't!), we should just be honest with ourselves not play ostrich. That isn't a pop at you, I would say you are being honest and cautious, it's a general comment/ explanation.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 07-08-2013 at 04:59 AM.
Ok, so Sally's has an Ion swimmers clarifying shampoo- will that work for chelating? The description says it removes minerals, but I don't know what ingredient is chelating. You are so right - my shampoo does have minerals in it!

My hair is drying after my DT, we'll see how it looks. I think I'll start with a heavy trim and put off the ombre. I really dislike seeing my darker roots, though, and don't want to dye them red again since that's a vicious cycle. Sounds like I need to use a gentler dye and dye it all darker to match my roots until it all grows out. Any suggestions there?

You have been soooo helpful! THANK YOU!
2C normal/high porosity?, medium/coarse texture, lower density
Cleanse: Pura D'Or every week or two, Yes to Cukes
Conditioner: VO5 Kiwi Lime (LOVE!), Tresemme Naturals, YTC
DT: GVP Conditioning Balm w/ coconut oil
LI: a touch of JCTS
Products: my HG is Tresemme Bouncy Curls Defining Gel mixed with a touch of BRHG over a little flax seed gel, SM Souflee/Milk for 2nd day hair, occasionally Bioterra Curling Creme and Gel
Modified CG since November 2012- finally found what works!

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