I can't find anything that works for my hair anymore. Anyone else in the same boat?

Prior to giving birth I used V05 Lavender Luster poo/dish with either PM Sculpting Mousse or Biolage Gelee. During pregnancy, I was able to get away with Suave Wild Cherry dish and some anti frizz cream. Since giving birth it seems that nothing is working and it has been 3 years. I tried co washing and ended up with stringy, greasy, thinner hair. I have tried various shampoos and conditioners from Fredric Fekkai, Loreal, Pantene, Dove, Herbal Essences, Garnier, Tresemme, Biolage, Aussie, Joico, Dermorganics, Redken and Paul Mitchell to name a few. Through these trials I have learned that my hair despises proteins for the most part, aloe, avocado, coconut anything, glycerin, and any other humectants high on the ingredient list. It can handle cones expect for a-cone although they make my neck and back break out.

It seriously should not be this hard to find products that work for occasionally colored, never straightened or blow dried hair. I feel that I am at my wits end here because not only am I fighting with nature( my hair did a major change after pregnancy), but the weather-love the FL humidity, and the fact that every product that I have come across has ingredients that I can't seem to use.

So if anyone has any suggestions, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
What are your hair properties? Your properties pre-pregnancy might have changed post pregnancy, so the products used then might not work as well now.

I, along with many others, have used this as a reference to understand the more important aspects of our hair- properties. You can send your hair in for an analysis with this company.
Live Curly Live Free - Curly Hair Basics

Komaza Hair care also does it as well and even gives a break down on how they do it:
Hair Analysis

HTH
High Porosity, Fine, Thin Density, Low Elasticity
Co-wash, leave in, and gel: Alba botanica coconut cond., ogx mousse, &/or super wet look gel.
Curls
I also found this other article on the Natural Haven blog. It is an amazing blog with actual scientific information so you aren't fishing for products simply by the exterior (courtesy of Firefox). This blog helps teach what is going on in the interior of hair. This one I am linking is about porosity, one of the main important properties. She breaks it down very easily:
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Part 1 of 2: Porosity - Definition and Causes
High Porosity, Fine, Thin Density, Low Elasticity
Co-wash, leave in, and gel: Alba botanica coconut cond., ogx mousse, &/or super wet look gel.
Curls
It appears that I am low porosity and coarse.
I was low porosity for quite some time before I chemically dyed my hair. Since low porosity has a harder time taking in moisture, you want to make sure that you use moisturizing conditioners. Do you co-wash or shampoo? I can't give you specific hair products (however I am sure if you search specific products for low porosity, you will find some great suggestions). I do believe you should make sure you balance out moisture/protein. You mention you are in FL- so taking in your dew points is essential.
High Porosity, Fine, Thin Density, Low Elasticity
Co-wash, leave in, and gel: Alba botanica coconut cond., ogx mousse, &/or super wet look gel.
Curls
Agree with Samanthascurlz, reassess your hair properties and work with that and your dew points/ humidity. It would be very unusual for someone who colours to be low porosity. Have you chelated and clarified recently? Do you consistently protect your hair from the sun?

If your hair is coloured beneficial ingredients include hydrolysed protein, coconut oil, ceramides and panthenol. Avoid sulphate surfactants and alkaline cleansers, many humectants will indeed be a problem in your climate. With proteins and coconut oil you may simple find you need a proper balance with occlusives and emollients.

I see a lot of posts where people are blaming an ingredient that is so far down the ingredients list as to make little difference, or when they have used a super strong/ straight up format or otherwise too much of a good thing.

No offence but I can't see how your hair could like silicones except amodimethicone, which is one that resists build up, nor how you could identify quite that many culprits in only three years given most products have numerous ingredients.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 07-07-2013 at 03:53 PM.
Agree with Samanthascurlz, reassess your hair properties and work with that and your dew points/ humidity. It would be very unusual for someone who colours to be low porosity. Have you chelated and clarified recently? Do you consistently protect your hair from the sun?

If your hair is coloured beneficial ingredients include hydrolysed protein, coconut oil, ceramides and panthenol. Avoid sulphate surfactants and alkaline cleansers, many humectants will indeed be a problem in your climate. With proteins and coconut oil you may simple find you need a proper balance with occlusives and emollients.

I see a lot of posts where people are blaming an ingredient that is so far down the ingredients list as to make little difference, or when they have used a super strong/ straight up format or otherwise too much of a good thing.

No offence but I can't see how your hair could like silicones except amodimethicone, which is one that resists build up, nor how you could identify quite that many culprits in only three years given most products have numerous ingredients.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275

I see what you are saying about ingredients but I have paid attention to what I am using and what is in it. I know that when I use anything with amodimenthicone I get massive frizz( I was surprised as well), if I use something that has proteins or protein like qualities then I get dry hair. It is trial and error as best as I can with ingredients that I can control. So yes, in 3 years time I can get a pretty good idea of what works and what to try to avoid when it is high on the ingredient list. I can only go by how my hair reacts to a product and what the products have had in common. Is it 100% accurate, no, but it's the best I can try to determine what my hair likes and what it doesn't like.

I can't explain why my hair is low porosity. Maybe it's because I have only colored my hair a handful of times with a semipermanent dye. But based on everything I have read at this point it still is low

Last edited by heather; 07-07-2013 at 04:40 PM.
I see what you are saying about ingredients but I have paid attention to what I am using and what is in it. I know that when I use anything with amodimenthicone I get massive frizz( I was surprised as well), if I use something that has proteins or protein like qualities then I get dry hair. It is trial and error as best as I can with ingredients that I can control. So yes, in 3 years time I can get a pretty good idea of what works and what to try to avoid when it is high on the ingredient list. I can only go by how my hair reacts to a product and what the products have had in common. Is it 100% accurate, no, but it's the best I can try to determine what my hair likes and what it doesn't like.

I can't explain why my hair is low porosity. Maybe it's because I have only colored my hair a handful of times with a semipermanent dye. But based on everything I have read at this point it still is low
Originally Posted by heather
In general 'acts like a protein' is pseudoscience, that is not backed up by the properties of all the ingredients claimed to be similar, in many ways you could say the reverse is true. I've seen a few low porosity people claim issues with the 'acts like a protein' thing and have suspected they have issues with either film formers building up or excessive humectants due to their climate (both are minor properties of proteins but major properties of numerous other ingredients).

Semi permanent dyes don't affect porosity or damage hair at all they just coat the surface. Sorry I thought you were saying you permanently dyed your hair because you lumped it in with heat styling. I suppose a semi permanent dye could be contributing to the 'coating' problems if you have low porosity hair, is that new to your routine in the last few years?

Have you tried a really simple routine with really basic products/ basic ingredients, perhaps a shampoo and conditioner 'base' that is intended to have ingredients added? Or just cheap branded products instead of fancy ones which are packed with ingredients that can coat and build up?

Have you chelated and clarified lately? Have you tried avoiding all polyquats?
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I see what you are saying about ingredients but I have paid attention to what I am using and what is in it. I know that when I use anything with amodimenthicone I get massive frizz( I was surprised as well), if I use something that has proteins or protein like qualities then I get dry hair. It is trial and error as best as I can with ingredients that I can control. So yes, in 3 years time I can get a pretty good idea of what works and what to try to avoid when it is high on the ingredient list. I can only go by how my hair reacts to a product and what the products have had in common. Is it 100% accurate, no, but it's the best I can try to determine what my hair likes and what it doesn't like.

I can't explain why my hair is low porosity. Maybe it's because I have only colored my hair a handful of times with a semipermanent dye. But based on everything I have read at this point it still is low
Originally Posted by heather
In general 'acts like a protein' is pseudoscience, that is not backed up by the properties of all the ingredients claimed to be similar, in many ways you could say the reverse is true. I've seen a few low porosity people claim issues with the 'acts like a protein' thing and have suspected they have issues with either film formers building up or excessive humectants due to their climate (both are minor properties of proteins but major properties of numerous other ingredients).

Semi permanent dyes don't affect porosity or damage hair at all they just coat the surface. Sorry I thought you were saying you permanently dyed your hair because you lumped it in with heat styling. I suppose a semi permanent dye could be contributing to the 'coating' problems if you have low porosity hair, is that new to your routine in the last few years?

Have you tried a really simple routine with really basic products/ basic ingredients, perhaps a shampoo and conditioner 'base' that is intended to have ingredients added? Or just cheap branded products instead of fancy ones which are packed with ingredients that can coat and build up?

Have you chelated and clarified lately? Have you tried avoiding all polyquats?
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
Where do I find these basic products? I would love to find something basic without all the added stuff. I have seen Free and Clear Products and Prell and that's about it. I have tried Suave which I guess would be basic but I had horrible results.
Where do I find these basic products? I would love to find something basic without all the added stuff. I have seen Free and Clear Products and Prell and that's about it. I have tried Suave which I guess would be basic but I had horrible results.
Originally Posted by heather
They are not branded products and you will need to order online, Google something like 'sulphate free shampoo base' or 'conditioner base' or 'cosmetic bases'.

Inecto coconut conditioner is also fairly basic, the ingredients are "water, cetearyl alcohol, stearalkonium chloride, cetrimonium chloride, coconut oil, fragrance, magnesium nitrate, methylchloro-isothiazolinone, magnesium chloride, methylisothiazolinone, citric acid."
It really has VERY little coconut oil, with a little massage during rinsing it literally gets my hair 'squeaky' clean with no oily residue whatsoever.

Here in the UK the cheapest 'family' shampoos and conditioners from drugstores and supermarkets (own or house brands in really cheap plain packaging) are super basic too but I don't know if you have an equivalent in the US. If you can't even get on with basic products, then either review your technique or look to chelate/ clarify.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 07-08-2013 at 07:10 AM.

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