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KiraSavannah 07-11-2013 12:55 PM

Greasing the scalp, while co-washing? : Gel for second day hair?
 
Random:How much build up do you think would happen if you did those weekly (grease with petroleum) ?
Also, do you think gel is necessary for second day hair? I never use gel and I'm thinking that may be a reason why.

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Firefox7275 07-11-2013 01:23 PM

Greasing the scalp with what? Conditioner only washing can remove many natural oils.

Jessiebanana 07-11-2013 01:34 PM

I don't think a light oil would be much of a problem. I mean you get oils on your scalp when you apply them to your hair a bit anyway. I'm not sure I see why you would do that unless you had dry skin on your scalp.

It probably doesn't have to be a gel, but yeah generally speaking a product with hold will help with second day hair. I know mahoganycurls on YT uses a harder hold gel than she would like, Ecostyler, to get hair that lasts all week. I had to find a balance between hold and softness. I don't like crunchy hair and crunchy hair actually looks bad on me the next day. I think it's because my hair is shorter, so it mats up a bit and I need that flexibility. If I could pineapple it might be different.

KiraSavannah 07-11-2013 01:40 PM

A grease with petroleum
[QUOTE=Firefox7275;2189873]Greasing the scalp with what? Conditioner only washing can remove many


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KiraSavannah 07-11-2013 01:41 PM

That's my problem , what's worked for you and how do you preserve your curls at night?
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Originally Posted by Jessiebanana (Post 2189878)
I don't think a light oil would be much of a problem. I mean you get oils on your scalp when you apply them to your hair a bit anyway. I'm not sure I see why you would do that unless you had dry skin on your scalp.

It probably doesn't have to be a gel, but yeah generally speaking a product with hold will help with second day hair. I know mahoganycurls on YT uses a harder hold gel than she would like, Ecostyler, to get hair that lasts all week. I had to find a balance between hold and softness. I don't like crunchy hair and crunchy hair actually looks bad on me the next day. I think it's because my hair is shorter, so it mats up a bit and I need that flexibility. If I could pineapple it might be different.



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Jessiebanana 07-11-2013 02:26 PM

Oh, I see you're on the app so you can't see my signature.

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LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

anonymous_133347 07-11-2013 02:31 PM

Couldn't you grease with EVCO instead? (I swear by it. That and avocado oil. Also mix in castor for hair growth/scalp stimulation.) Petroleum jelly is very prone to buildup. I don't think cowashing would get it all out.

Firefox7275 07-11-2013 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KiraSavannah (Post 2189882)
A grease with petroleum

AFAIK conditioner only washing won't shift that, why would you want to put petroleum jelly on your scalp? It won't penetrate, you will get much the same occlusive (barrier/ sealant) benefits from any natural oil or butter and many will shift with conditioner only washing.

If I was to treat my scalp with an oil or butter I'd use something lower in oleic acid (irritant) and higher in stearic and/ or palmitic acids and/ or cholesterol (all strengthen the skin barrier). Unrefined west African shea and lanolin are lovely for skin health, thick tho so would dilute them down/ soften with a lighter oil, perhaps borage for the GLA or whip up some shea-aloe butter. Egg lecithin aids production of ceramides which strengthen skin and hair.

KiraSavannah 07-11-2013 07:45 PM

Oh I'm definitely not doing so, but the "oils&greases" companies say are good for the scalp typically have petroleum in them, I was just imagining the women trying go do better for by only cowashing but still using petroleum filled grease.
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Originally Posted by Firefox7275 (Post 2189943)
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Originally Posted by KiraSavannah (Post 2189882)
A grease with petroleum

AFAIK conditioner only washing won't shift that, why would you want to put petroleum jelly on your scalp? It won't penetrate, you will get much the same occlusive (barrier/ sealant) benefits from any natural oil or butter and many will shift with conditioner only washing.

If I was to treat my scalp with an oil or butter I'd use something lower in oleic acid (irritant) and higher in stearic and/ or palmitic acids and/ or cholesterol (all strengthen the skin barrier). Unrefined west African shea and lanolin are lovely for skin health, thick tho so would dilute them down/ soften with a lighter oil, perhaps borage for the GLA or whip up some shea-aloe butter. Egg lecithin aids production of ceramides which strengthen skin and hair.



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Firefox7275 07-11-2013 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KiraSavannah (Post 2190025)
Oh I'm definitely not doing so, but the "oils&greases" companies say are good for the scalp typically have petroleum in them, I was just imagining the women trying go do better for by only cowashing but still using petroleum filled grease.

The optimist in me says most people who learn about co-washing also learn not to believe any of the rubbish companies say in advertisements/ write on cosmetic packaging to induce you to purchase. Instead they start reading and researching ingredients lists. When I did I was all "WTF is that doing in there????"

Plus there is a lot of quality information out there on YouTube and forums about being curly/ natural/ gentle on hair, especially by African American ladies. And an increasing number of higher quality natural haircare lines marketed especially at those with kinky coily hair.

I'm probably being over optimistic about what percentage really do read ingredients tho!

CurlyInTheFog 07-12-2013 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Firefox7275 (Post 2190068)
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Originally Posted by KiraSavannah (Post 2190025)
Oh I'm definitely not doing so, but the "oils&greases" companies say are good for the scalp typically have petroleum in them, I was just imagining the women trying go do better for by only cowashing but still using petroleum filled grease.

The optimist in me says most people who learn about co-washing also learn not to believe any of the rubbish companies say in advertisements/ write on cosmetic packaging to induce you to purchase. Instead they start reading and researching ingredients lists. When I did I was all "WTF is that doing in there????"

Plus there is a lot of quality information out there on YouTube and forums about being curly/ natural/ gentle on hair, especially by African American ladies. And an increasing number of higher quality natural haircare lines marketed especially at those with kinky coily hair.

I'm probably being over optimistic about what percentage really do read ingredients tho!

Ha, the pessimist in me says companies are out to make money, so they tell consumers what they want to hear, and a surprising number of people are willing to leave it at that and buy the company line of BS.

I'll give you an example. I've been raising tortoises for years, and as part of that I run something of an advice line to help people out. There are a staggering number of products marketed for tortoises that are completely unsuitable for them, and many are actually potentially deadly. You would not believe how many questions I get from people keeping their tortoises improperly because they buy products based on marketing, even though information on risks of using such products are readily available online. They just believe what the companies tell them, I guess because they think that "someone" would stop the companies from selling the products if they were unsafe. I don't see that it's any different for hair products, or any number of other products. Not that there aren't good companies out there, but it pays to know what you're buying.

BlackAngelPlayah 07-12-2013 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Firefox7275 (Post 2190068)
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Originally Posted by KiraSavannah (Post 2190025)
Oh I'm definitely not doing so, but the "oils&greases" companies say are good for the scalp typically have petroleum in them, I was just imagining the women trying go do better for by only cowashing but still using petroleum filled grease.

The optimist in me says most people who learn about co-washing also learn not to believe any of the rubbish companies say in advertisements/ write on cosmetic packaging to induce you to purchase. Instead they start reading and researching ingredients lists. When I did I was all "WTF is that doing in there????"

Plus there is a lot of quality information out there on YouTube and forums about being curly/ natural/ gentle on hair, especially by African American ladies. And an increasing number of higher quality natural haircare lines marketed especially at those with kinky coily hair.

I'm probably being over optimistic about what percentage really do read ingredients tho!

I was totally disappointed when I learned about more natural ingredients and found that nearly all products marketed to curlies was full of silicone and ALL products marketed to Black people was just Vaseline in a pretty jar.

It's getting better now, but some still have horrible ingredients. And now to add insult to injury they cost way too much for the cheap ingredients they're using. SMH.

Anyway, I'd stay away from any heavy oil on my scalp if I wasn't going to lather up at least a few times a month. :)

Samanthascurlz 07-12-2013 12:50 PM

Concerning your question on gel for second day hair, I think it helps maintain your curls for more than one day. Sometimes, I use a curl cream instead of gel. It gives an excellent curl pattern to my hair, but by the next day it is more frizzy compared to using gel. You should try it (gel) and see if there is a difference for you.


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