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Old 07-13-2013, 08:08 PM   #21
 
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others can give me horrible tiny stringlets when wet that join together into soft bouncy ringlets when they dry
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Hahaha!

I get this, and it's my absolute favourite way to style my hair! I've been focusing on clumps with a strong-hold gel for a few months now, but this thread inspired me to go back to my usual styling routine:

Scrunch out excess water with a t-shirt
Plop for about 10 minutes with the same t-shirt
Gently scrunch in Desert Essence's Shine and Define Lotion to the tips ONLY! DO NOT TOUCH THE ROOTS.

It was a stringy mess while wet. Like, terrible. I refused to leave my house and seriously contemplated wetting it all again.

But when it dried (which took 30 minutes instead of the 3 hours it takes with gel), my hair looked fab. Bouncy, lots of volume, fun ringlets, and something closer to my normal curl pattern (3A... with gel/clumping, I've been more of a 2B/2C).

So. I don't have loose waves, but I'm also finding that clumping does NOT give me the desired results!
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Old 07-15-2013, 09:48 PM   #22
 
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Just an update... It is so difficult to style waves to be neither clumpy nor stringy. wavydaze.... Now that I've been experimenting I totally get what you mean!

Basically I have been raking in leave in, raking in some gel, and then scrunching in more gel. Sometimes I get nice soft waves and sometimes I get a stringy mess. There's no consistency. Guess its back to the drawing board.

So far the best results have been simply scrunching in my leave in and styler into soaking wet hair... And scrunching very little. Doesn't encourage too much clumping and I don't get stringy-ness.
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Old 07-16-2013, 07:56 AM   #23
 
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What I am discovering (I think) is I need to scrunch more and well as scrunch and pump. Way more. Another thing about clumps is it may be more about uniform sized clumps as opposed to thicker or thinner.
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I've been getting nice results from combing through my conditioner (both RO and LI - I rake and then comb) with a wide tooth comb. I get much better product distribution than from just using my fingers, and it seems to help form softer, less clumpy waviness when dry. All I do afterwards is minimal scrunching with a curl cloth to remove excess water/conditioner and it ends up drying really nicely by itself.

Also, I saw this the other day and thought of this thread:

Good Frizz? “Controlled Volume” | Scott Musgrave Hair
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Old 07-16-2013, 12:29 PM   #25
 
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Ladies, lately what I've been doing to not get clumps is through conditioner only styling. I squeeze out all the water out of my hair in the shower. I rake in conditioner (SS Caitlins) sometimes emulsifying it Chupie-style. This breaks up all the clumps but gives me the best even distribution. Sometimes I will scrunch again, sometimes not. Airdry while even ::gasp:: moving my hair around. The final product is a little messy, as in some pieces are wavier than others, but the frizz is down and this is the easiest easiest style for me. 2nd day hair looks great, usually better than 1st day and I can even push 3rd day hair. No gel, no crunch, no clumps. I actually also like the clumpy gel "noodle look"! I get more compliments when my hair is "noodley" and if I plop it makes me wavier and spiraley-er but the noodle-look is higher maintenance.

I want to post some pics as soon as I figure how to add a blob of some sort over my face!
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Old 07-16-2013, 12:57 PM   #26
 
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Can't wait to see pics. Yeah that dies give really nice "strumps".
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Old 07-16-2013, 02:07 PM   #27
 
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Yes- show us both noodley and conditioner styled! I'm very curious...
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Old 07-16-2013, 05:10 PM   #28
 
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Ladies, lately what I've been doing to not get clumps is through conditioner only styling. I squeeze out all the water out of my hair in the shower. I rake in conditioner (SS Caitlins) sometimes emulsifying it Chupie-style. This breaks up all the clumps but gives me the best even distribution. Sometimes I will scrunch again, sometimes not. Airdry while even ::gasp:: moving my hair around. The final product is a little messy, as in some pieces are wavier than others, but the frizz is down and this is the easiest easiest style for me. 2nd day hair looks great, usually better than 1st day and I can even push 3rd day hair. No gel, no crunch, no clumps. I actually also like the clumpy gel "noodle look"! I get more compliments when my hair is "noodley" and if I plop it makes me wavier and spiraley-er but the noodle-look is higher maintenance.

I want to post some pics as soon as I figure how to add a blob of some sort over my face!
I'm going to try this... Ty! Will any conditioner work?


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Old 07-16-2013, 08:37 PM   #29
 
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I'm going to try this... Ty! Will any conditioner work?
I've tried 3 for this purposes: SM Curl & Style Milk, Caitlin's Condish, Shescentit Okra Reconstructor.

The Shescentit was nice, lighter but didn't work for me because it had too many humectants. I really do have to avoid those in my humid, high dew area. The SM C&S Milk and Caitlin's both gave me good and similar results, i think I prefer the Caitlin's though.

The weird thing is that it doesn't look as good 1st day as it does 2nd day... I think amount has to do with it as well. Like for me it takes like a full 24 hours for the conditioner to fully absorb, especially the SM one since it's much more full of oils. Usually I will wake up the next day though and my hair feels completely product-less and looks better. There is a trade-off though.... I don't have as much definition though and it's more 2a. :/ The good thing about it is that I can be so entirely lazy and I get more mileage without touchups.
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*Used to be low-porosity, but I lightened my hair 1-2 shades, so I may be normal-porosity now.

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Low-poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Giovanni SaS
RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: CJ Repair Me, IAgirl's gelatine

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Old 07-16-2013, 08:38 PM   #30
 
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Sorry, to answer your question, you can use any conditioner keeping in mind dew points.
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*Used to be low-porosity, but I lightened my hair 1-2 shades, so I may be normal-porosity now.

New climate! Current favorites:
Low-poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Giovanni SaS
RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: CJ Repair Me, IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: JC Confident Coils, JC Rockin Ringlets, CJ CIAB, gelatin gel

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Old 07-16-2013, 09:01 PM   #31
 
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others can give me horrible tiny stringlets when wet that join together into soft bouncy ringlets when they dry
Tell me MORE!
Hahaha!

I get this, and it's my absolute favourite way to style my hair! I've been focusing on clumps with a strong-hold gel for a few months now, but this thread inspired me to go back to my usual styling routine:

Scrunch out excess water with a t-shirt
Plop for about 10 minutes with the same t-shirt
Gently scrunch in Desert Essence's Shine and Define Lotion to the tips ONLY! DO NOT TOUCH THE ROOTS.

It was a stringy mess while wet. Like, terrible. I refused to leave my house and seriously contemplated wetting it all again.

But when it dried (which took 30 minutes instead of the 3 hours it takes with gel), my hair looked fab. Bouncy, lots of volume, fun ringlets, and something closer to my normal curl pattern (3A... with gel/clumping, I've been more of a 2B/2C).

So. I don't have loose waves, but I'm also finding that clumping does NOT give me the desired results!
Kate, the only product you put in is the desert essence?


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Old 07-16-2013, 09:04 PM   #32
 
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The Desert Essence looks great but the glycerin would not fare well with high dews.... ::sigh::
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New climate! Current favorites:
Low-poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Giovanni SaS
RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: CJ Repair Me, IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: JC Confident Coils, JC Rockin Ringlets, CJ CIAB, gelatin gel

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Hahaha!

I get this, and it's my absolute favourite way to style my hair! I've been focusing on clumps with a strong-hold gel for a few months now, but this thread inspired me to go back to my usual styling routine:

Scrunch out excess water with a t-shirt
Plop for about 10 minutes with the same t-shirt
Gently scrunch in Desert Essence's Shine and Define Lotion to the tips ONLY! DO NOT TOUCH THE ROOTS.

It was a stringy mess while wet. Like, terrible. I refused to leave my house and seriously contemplated wetting it all again.

But when it dried (which took 30 minutes instead of the 3 hours it takes with gel), my hair looked fab. Bouncy, lots of volume, fun ringlets, and something closer to my normal curl pattern (3A... with gel/clumping, I've been more of a 2B/2C).

So. I don't have loose waves, but I'm also finding that clumping does NOT give me the desired results!
Kate, the only product you put in is the desert essence?


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Old 07-16-2013, 09:08 PM   #34
 
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The Desert Essence looks great but the glycerin would not fare well with high dews.... ::sigh::
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Yes... I'm noticing that with our weird monsoon-type weather patterns lately (totally abnormal to this area), it's not holding up as well as usual. I've been trying to find anti-humectant products, but there's not much available.
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Old 07-16-2013, 09:46 PM   #35
 
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Ok, I blued myself.

These are examples of conditioner-only styling. The ones where I'm wearing the blue top (I'm so sorry my bathing suit is showing it's pretty uhhhh anyway) I used the SM C&S Milk. This was second day hair. As you can see the waves are pretty loose, so I would consider the curl pattern 2a here. I was happy with how my hair looked considering this was after trying on a bunch of clothes.

In the pic where my face was cropped, that was the 1st day hair for the blue-top pics. Weird right? It looks much better second day, even if it's looser. It felt a little gunky 1st day and looks more... stringy?

Recently I've been playing with not doing anything to enhance the curl, in fact i've been mostly discouraging it.... raking in products, not plopping, sometimes scrunching the bottom after raking but not always.

My hair is waviest on day 1. When I sleep my waves get smashed so day 2 & 3 are always 2a with the odd 2b bits.

The one where I'm wearing the blown-out apricot-colored shirt was using the same techniques but using Caitlin's Conditioner. This was 3rd day hair.
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RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
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Some of the pics really show how I'm still growing out a thinned-out haircut - the bottom is so sad and loses curl. This is more obvious when I go for noodle-look. When it's softer/more 2a it hides it better.
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RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
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Oh yeah day 2 is way better. Day 1 looks a little greasy hobo, if you know what I mean. Day 2 is the ideal look I imagine when I think of wavy hair.
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Old 07-16-2013, 09:56 PM   #38
 
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LMAO greasy hobo!
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New climate! Current favorites:
Low-poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Giovanni SaS
RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: CJ Repair Me, IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: JC Confident Coils, JC Rockin Ringlets, CJ CIAB, gelatin gel

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Old 07-16-2013, 10:00 PM   #39
 
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This is a gelee/jelly/gellie look. I used SS CEJ. I guess I went for clumps, but since they dried soft I like the look. This is day 1... I'd call it more 2b here.
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*Used to be low-porosity, but I lightened my hair 1-2 shades, so I may be normal-porosity now.

New climate! Current favorites:
Low-poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Giovanni SaS
RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: CJ Repair Me, IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: JC Confident Coils, JC Rockin Ringlets, CJ CIAB, gelatin gel

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I don't know I'd say it was more 2b/c. Most people here who have 2a have those incredibly weak, barely there waves. Your hair could be identified as curly by the casual viewer.

At least that's what I pull when I look at this chart.
http://www.naturallycurly.com/pages/hairtypes/type2
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