Does anyone with loose waves find clumps DON'T work for them?

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I attempted conditioner only styling today and it was a complete disaster. There were NO clumps, just a frizzy, poufy mess! Like i stuck my finger in a light socket. And I didn't even touch my hair while it was drying. I'll stick to my 2-3 layers of an obscene amount of product and won't attempt it again!
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
Haha Chloe- that's EXACTLY what happens to me. We can't all be that lucky, I suppose.
2C normal/high porosity?, medium/coarse texture, lower density
Cleanse: Pura D'Or every week or two, Yes to Cukes
Conditioner: VO5 Kiwi Lime (LOVE!), Tresemme Naturals, YTC
DT: GVP Conditioning Balm w/ coconut oil
LI: a touch of JCTS
Products: my HG is Tresemme Bouncy Curls Defining Gel mixed with a touch of BRHG over a little flax seed gel, SM Souflee/Milk for 2nd day hair, occasionally Bioterra Curling Creme and Gel
Modified CG since November 2012- finally found what works!
chloe92us, WavyRoo and Janicke31: what was your exact routine when you tried conditioner-only and it didn't work? I'm curious as to whether the difference might be in routine, or porosity, or conditioner, or...

My exact routine is:

* Warm wash with low poo,
* Wide tooth comb through a large amount of conditioner and leave on for a few minutes,
* Rinse with cool water and leave hair completely saturated,
* Comb through more conditioner (less than before) upside down,
* Scrunch hair a few times upside down and to the sides with a curl cloth,
* Stand up and move any bits of hair that aren't lying where I want.
* Air dry

Last edited by heyho; 07-19-2013 at 06:39 AM. Reason: To add a user's name
I would absolutely love to find a way to break up my clumps. I can't seem to make it happen. I rake everything in & will rake several times, shake, & as soon as I go to scrunch the curls back in, it all clumps back up. First of all, I don't have enough hair for this & don't like having a case of scalp crack, it's gotten a lot worse as it's gotten longer. I'd say I have about 4-5" on my signature pics since I've not updated them in a year. Second of all, it loosens my curl a lot. Individual strands I find around the sink or the smaller clumps I manage to get are much curlier than my big chunky clumps. Plus I have no volume no matter how much I diffuse upside down.

I've been experimenting lately with taking water out before I apply products & I think I'm going to have to experiment with taking a lot more water out. I can't think of anything else to try. I don't want stringlets but I want something other than these fat sections.
fine, thin, normal/(low?) porosity. Mod-CG. Usually I can't co-wash more than 1x a week, & sometimes I have to use T-Gel in rotation due to scalp issues.

Co-wash: VO5 Volumizing
Poo: Giovanni 50:50
RO:TN, Nexxus Youth Renewal, Alba Coconut
LI: KCKT
PT: gelatin PT, ION EC
Stylers: Giovanni mousse, TIGI Curls Rock amplifier (a-cone), Curls Rock Strong Hold Mousse
Gels: SCC spray gel

chloe92us and WavyRoo: what was your exact routine when you tried conditioner-only and it didn't work? I'm curious as to whether the difference might be in routine, or porosity, or conditioner, or...

My exact routine is:

* Warm wash with low poo,
* Wide tooth comb through a large amount of conditioner and leave on for a few minutes,
* Rinse with cool water and leave hair completely saturated,
* Comb through more conditioner (less than before) upside down,
* Scrunch hair a few times upside down and to the sides with a curl cloth,
* Stand up and move any bits of hair that aren't lying where I want.
* Air dry
Originally Posted by heyho
I did EXACTLY this, minus the comb!
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
I'm not sure my hair can get over moisturized. :-) Too much oil will make it greasy, though.

Are you using any oils or butters? They might be too heavy for your under layer. What's in that shampoo?
Originally Posted by CurlyGrey3
Here are the ingredients
If your hair is 2c or up I would recommend going for clumps w/ conditioner only styling... I used to do this. I would scrunch in conditioner (no raking) on soaking wet hair. Sometimes I would do a quick cold water rinse on top. From here I would sometimes go straight into a plop, or blot/srunch gently with a tshirt (not breaking up clumps) and then go into a plop. I would air dry.
fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: no guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, gelatin gel

Recent findings: my hair likes Cure Care diluted with water as a cowash; does NOT like guar h.c.!

iherb discount code: CFN646
Different types of conditioners give very different results for conditioner only styling, dew points also play a role.
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Different types of conditioners give very different results for conditioner only styling, dew points also play a role.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
I agree with this, also it might require playing around with technique... like anything else in CG-land! This is an example of when I go for clumpage w/ co-only styling. I used Alba B LI.

Anyway I'm not trying to push co-only styling on anyone... if it works for you it works if it doesn't, it doesn't.
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fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: no guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, gelatin gel

Recent findings: my hair likes Cure Care diluted with water as a cowash; does NOT like guar h.c.!

iherb discount code: CFN646
Lol, yours looks amazing- mine? Not so much! I should have posted a photo but now I have coco oil slathered all over it.
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
Lol, yours looks amazing- mine? Not so much! I should have posted a photo but now I have coco oil slathered all over it.
Originally Posted by chloe92us
Lol... I'm just curious as to why it works on some and not on others... maybe it's properties-related?

What conditioner did you use?
fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: no guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, gelatin gel

Recent findings: my hair likes Cure Care diluted with water as a cowash; does NOT like guar h.c.!

iherb discount code: CFN646
I used CJ smoothing daily condish as a RO, and CJ Beauticurls LI (and a lot more than I usually use!).
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
chloe92us and WavyRoo: what was your exact routine when you tried conditioner-only and it didn't work? I'm curious as to whether the difference might be in routine, or porosity, or conditioner, or...

My exact routine is:

* Warm wash with low poo,
* Wide tooth comb through a large amount of conditioner and leave on for a few minutes,
* Rinse with cool water and leave hair completely saturated,
* Comb through more conditioner (less than before) upside down,
* Scrunch hair a few times upside down and to the sides with a curl cloth,
* Stand up and move any bits of hair that aren't lying where I want.
* Air dry
Originally Posted by heyho
I did EXACTLY this, minus the comb!
Originally Posted by chloe92us
Ohhh. Have you seen how I do it?

http://youtu.be/r_Y3mOjdAAI
You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
I used CJ smoothing daily condish as a RO, and CJ Beauticurls LI (and a lot more than I usually use!).
Originally Posted by chloe92us
Just typed a reply and then lost it, arghghh. Will try and remember what I wrote...

Firstly, just to mention that using a comb might be beneficial. When I don't use a comb to help evenly distribute the conditioner, I can get big swathes of frizz and fuzziness, particularly in the back - I look sort of like an orangutan

I tried using the CJ smoothing daily conditioner in the routine I posted earlier in the thread. It was truly awful - a totally frizzy mess! Not sure why - maybe the high concentration of aloe? I haven't any experience with the CJ Beauticurls LI.

I suspect that using the right low poo and conditioner for each individual may be key to the whole thing - finding a combination that keeps your hair fairly calm and smooth.

Another thought I had was maybe it is affected by water hardness. My water is softened now, but it used to be extremely hard. My hair then was much, much, much more difficult to deal with, and I don't think I could have done conditioner-only with that water.
Yes, I have hard water. I don't think I'll try to experiment with C-only styling as I'm happy with the way my hair looks using my normal routine, but I was curious. I've done it a few times, with disastrous results each time, regardless of what I use. I also have high porosity and live in Florida with dews in the high 70's for a few months out of the year. So....I'll stick to my gels!
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
Yes, I have hard water. I don't think I'll try to experiment with C-only styling as I'm happy with the way my hair looks using my normal routine, but I was curious. I've done it a few times, with disastrous results each time, regardless of what I use. I also have high porosity and live in Florida with dews in the high 70's for a few months out of the year. So....I'll stick to my gels!
Originally Posted by chloe92us
That sounds totally fair enough - I would do the same! You couldn't have prized my gel out of my hands when I had hard water
I attempted conditioner only styling today and it was a complete disaster. There were NO clumps, just a frizzy, poufy mess! Like i stuck my finger in a light socket. And I didn't even touch my hair while it was drying. I'll stick to my 2-3 layers of an obscene amount of product and won't attempt it again!
Originally Posted by chloe92us
I agree!


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2b, Fine, Low density, Normal porosity.

Currently using but not sure if i'm loving:

Lo-poo: SM yucca
Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut
LI: SM yucca Milk, Suave Naturals Coconut
Gel: LA Looks Mega Hold (Green), LA Looks NutraCurl with Avocado

Sometimes I pixie diffuse, Always towel turban, Finally stopped touching while wet , Always SOTC, lose curl definition and get frizzy after a few hours.

Live in Miami where it's really HUMID
Another update....

Although I like the soft look of no clumps, I've come to the conclusion I just have too much hair for it. While my hair is fine, it is also super dense so I tend to get too much volume (especially as the day goes on and my hair grows). I think my hair needs the "organization" of clumps.

Also, styling without clumps produces very inconsistent results. One day I'll have nice, soft waves and the next it'll be stringy o the point where i cannot wear it down. My daily go to routine (which I've still not figured out) doesn't need to be perfect but it does need to be somewhat consistent.
2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
Dry climate.


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