What causes frizz when wet?

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I'm starting to think it might be the TN---I think it's weighing my hair down. I really like the definition I've been getting, so I wonder if there's a lighter leave in?

Can anyone recommend a good drugstore leave in that is lighter than TN??
Originally Posted by crofterica
Tresemme Naturals can cause problems for some people, but simply going lighter is not considering your hair properties, dew points nor addressing frizz. Just use your co-wash, see how that works out. Otherwise choose something rich with with protein, don't confuse rich with heavy they are not one and the same.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
Thanks! It's good to know You're very knowledgable, Firefox!
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Suave followed by Tresemme might not be rich enough for your high porosity hair, I am high porosity and need plenty of leave in conditioner, it could be more important than gel for frizz control and clumping.

I never used to understand frizz when wet but occasionally I get it when I've used my protein rich/ oil free conditioner several washes in a row. I don't think the protein itself is the cause as such since it's giving me good hair much of the time, my hair seems to need a little oil in my routine.

Another possibility is that fifteen minutes is too long a plop, porous hair can dry out fast especially if you are not using a rich leave in conditioner but only water based products. I'm having best results with flour sack towels, takes out less water so doesn't overdry the hair. I also lightly scrunch out water with the towel more often than I plop so I can hit the wetter areas and leave the ones that tend to frizz.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
Ditto on the shorter plop and flour sack towels. I plop for ten minutes or less--just long enough to get dressed and clean up the bath area. I used to plop lfor 20-30 minutes, but got a lot more frizz. The flour sack towels are great. I've had greatly reduced frizz since I started using them.
Originally Posted by CurlyInTheFog
Alright, I can definitely shorten the plop time. Do you use the flour sack towel to plop, or do you use it to scrunch out the water? Or both?
Originally Posted by crofterica
Both. Actually I use two towels. I use a light amount of leave in, scrunch with one towel, add my gel, scrunch again with the same towel, and then plop with a new towel. I do this because I use KCCC and if I don't scrunch out quite a bit of water it takes forever to dry. I scrunch carefully and only once per section (per scrunch session) so as not to mess up my curls. It works pretty well. I've been getting very nice curls lately. It sounds complicated, but it's really not. Takes just a few minutes, then I plop for 10, then diffuse for about 15 minutes. Beginning to end, maybe an hour including getting ready for shower, showering, dressing, styling.
3a/b, fine, normal porosity, high density

Wash: CJ Daily Fix, As I Am, TJs TTT
RO: YTB
LI: Suave TC + CJ CCCC, brushed through with Denman
Styling: Smooth in LAL Wet Look gel, scrunch, and plop 10 minutes, then add a little more gel, cover with silk cap, and sleep on it
Refresh: 3:1 water/Suave mix as needed
I have a hair type similar to yours -- 2B, high porosity, medium texture, high density -- and I also started out CG with Suave Naturals Coconut and TRESseme Naturals and had the same results. It doesn't seem to be a good combination for me either, when I stopped using the TRESseme the frizz calmed down a lot more.
I'm starting to think it might be the TN---I think it's weighing my hair down. I really like the definition I've been getting, so I wonder if there's a lighter leave in?

Can anyone recommend a good drugstore leave in that is lighter than TN??
Originally Posted by crofterica
Tresemme Naturals can cause problems for some people, but simply going lighter is not considering your hair properties, dew points nor addressing frizz. Just use your co-wash, see how that works out. Otherwise choose something rich with with protein, don't confuse rich with heavy they are not one and the same.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
Okay--still battling this problem!! I used Suave as a leave in and it was really frizzy. Lately, I've just been rinsing all the conditioner (still TN) out and not doing a leave in. It is a little better that way.

I've discovered I only get the crown frizz and wet frizz when I apply products soaking wet. If I scrunch out the water with a towel, then apply product, I don't get the crown, flyaway frizz. BUT, it looks stringy and I have no clumps.

I like the way my hair looks when I apply product to soaking hair, so I want to make it work! I either need a different RO suggestion or I need a cream/pomade suggestion to calm the crown frizz after I SOTC. I bought JCNS, but it isn't doing anything for the crown/root frizz...

Feeling :frustrated:
I blot my hair after the shower to remove excess water, then, in order to get the clumps back, I use a slimy product to put the moisture BACK in (my products of choice for this step are okra or flax seed gel, uncle funkys curly magic or spiral solutions curl enhancing jelly).

By saturating my hair with a product that clumps, my hair feels like its soaked again, but with product instead of water. The clumps reform. Then I top with a hard hold gel. If I don't use that crucial "middle" clumping product, I just don't get the same effect. It's kind of like the super soaker method, but soaking it with a film-forming product instead of water. Hope I explained that well enough.

I've found that using a LI actually disrupts the effectiveness of my gels, so I've stopped using them for the most part.

Instead, I'm back to doing DTS and using heavy conditioners as a RO (Darcy's pumpkin, CJ Curl Rehab, Curly Kinks Renew, etc). I do straight up coco oil overnite DTS at least once a week.

I have porous, medium texture hair.
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip

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