Considering hair analysis--worth it?

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I've noticed my hair feeling drier since I've started CGing. It actually looked better on day one than on day 8. I'm sure it's a product issue and I know I should consider my hair properties when using products. The problem is, I'm not entirely sure on porosity and width...so would any of you recommend the hair analysis from live curly, live free?
I don't know what the Live Curly Live Free analysis entails, so no. Someone here said it was done on their head, can't work out what is actually done.

Sometimes hair looks worse before it looks better, either if you choose the wrong products or you have to deal with the true condition of your hair without silicones.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I did the Lclf one. Just sent in hair from different parts of my head and it took about 6 weeks. Nothing came back as a surprise, I was mostly confirming my own observations, but it could be helpful if you are truly stumped! No product recommendations but ingredient ones.
Katie
2C/3a, Medium Texture, Normal porosity, High Density, Normal Elasticity (so says the LCLF Hair analysis)
Co Wash: As I am
RO: Yes To Carrots / Ion
LI: Biotera / Samy Big Curls Defining Cream
Gel: FSG, Volumax (Original and Mega)
Color: Henna
Tools: Diffusing
I did the LCLF one, but haven't gotten results back yet. I really just want to know the porosity. Komaza's is more in-depth, and would be a good idea if your hair was damaged or thinning, but it's a hot commodity and available on a limited basis. You can do without an analysis if you know as a baseline what ingredients work for your hair. I was a longhair for several years, so have a pretty good idea what my hair likes. My real problem is I'm a product junkie and will try practically anything--once. I have tons of product with one use taken out of them.
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3a/b, F, normal porosity

Suave conditioner, LAL gel
I'm waiting on my results. I'm so unsure about my width and wether to do protein treatments or deep conditioning treatments weekly.

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2b, Fine, Low density, Normal porosity.

Currently using but not sure if i'm loving:

Lo-poo: SM yucca
Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut
LI: SM yucca Milk, Suave Naturals Coconut
Gel: LA Looks Mega Hold (Green), LA Looks NutraCurl with Avocado

Sometimes I pixie diffuse, Always towel turban, Finally stopped touching while wet , Always SOTC, lose curl definition and get frizzy after a few hours.

Live in Miami where it's really HUMID
I'm also waiting for mine. I'm curious to see if my guess is correct. I'm looking for input on what ingredients to use and avoid.
I got the LCLF one a couple of years ago, shortly after they started offering the service. Best money I spent on my hair, since I couldn't figure out on my own what would make it happy. It gave me a direction to go in, which I sorely needed at the time.
Sulfate/non-water-soluble silicone free since 8/16/10
Northern VA
Med-coarse, normal porosity, low elasticity
Dye-free since 11/2010

I'm waiting for my results now. I have made some guesses about my hair, but I certainly could be wrong. I'm hoping the analysis will help me narrow down what ingredients I should be using.
Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
Current favorites:
Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
Style: FSG, BRHG
Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

iHerb discount code: PNQ285
I've had the LCLF analysis. Given my hair's behaviour, the results I received do seem accurate to me. If you have questions after receiving your results, you can get support by email. There is also an ebook available to buy from them with slightly more information on curly hair, ingredients, dew points and routine information.

Even though they don't spell out their methods, from reading their website, analysis results and ebook I think that they do know a lot about hair and curly hair, and in particular I find their vehement refusal to go along with the 'CG method' idea that curl type dictates hair care to be enormously commendable. Their ebook is far superior to 'Curly Girl The Handbook', though that would not be hard given that the Handbook managed to set the bar so exceedingly low as to include horoscopes.

If I were to guess, I would say that a professional hairdresser who is used to dealing with different heads of hair every day would not have much trouble determining width of hair or elasticity on examination, or perhaps by comparing to a chart, and maybe porosity is determined by testing uptake of dye.

Since my own results were accurate and most people are probably in a situation where there isn't another option (like I was), I recommend this service.
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You can do hair analysis (for determining properties) if you want, but understand it's probably just a temporary "snapshot" for where your hair is right now. Hair properties do change depending on what you put in your hair (chemical services, for ex.) and what you do to it (thermal treatment, for ex.). Hormonal changes and illness can drastically affect all these things too. Hair properties can also change from graying and/or aging.

You don't really need to spend $$ on these hair analysis services if you carefully observe what sort of products and techniques work or don't work. "Listening" to your hair is just as good IMO. But that means educating yourself about the ingredients of things you put into your hair and learning what can be done when your hair seems to react poorly to something.
3b/c?

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Given that the LCLF is only $20, that cost is the same as 2 wrong CG product choices, if you know what I mean. If you're really stumped I say go for it because it can really start giving you a better direction. When I went, they told me I had fine hair (which I was suspecting but wasn't 100% sure) and they told me protein protein protein! For whatever, reason, probably because I didn't think I had fine hair (I thought mine was more medium) my hair was pretty OC for a while. Had I done the hair analysis earlier, it would have saved me some confusion and weeks of being OCed. I also got my porosity wrong on my own.

The weird thing was that my mother's hair is medium texture and they told her to stay away from protein... I thought it odd because from this site I understood medium width hair needs some protein... maybe not in regular products but in PTs on occasion. I actually did the gelatin PT on my mom (before analysis) and her hair did well with it, but now she's like but at LCLF they said no protein and they're the curly experts not you so no more gelatin! ::sigh::

Anywhoo, I still think it's worth it to do the hair analysis... get your results and then make decisions based on reading up on this site and other sites as well.

From reviews I hear the Komaza Care analysis is much more in depth and a "better" analysis. It looks awesome but it's also $85.....
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2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
[/B]Cowash: Cure Care + water
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
You can do hair analysis (for determining properties) if you want, but understand it's probably just a temporary "snapshot" for where your hair is right now. Hair properties do change depending on what you put in your hair (chemical services, for ex.) and what you do to it (thermal treatment, for ex.). Hormonal changes and illness can drastically affect all these things too. Hair properties can also change from graying and/or aging.

You don't really need to spend $$ on these hair analysis services if you carefully observe what sort of products and techniques work or don't work. "Listening" to your hair is just as good IMO. But that means educating yourself about the ingredients of things you put into your hair and learning what can be done when your hair seems to react poorly to something.
Originally Posted by Korkscrew

I think it's just hard for newbies to "listen" to their hair if they're just starting out. Their hair is changing anyway and there's the common syndrome "I don't know what my hair is supposed to feel like." I had that happen when I was starting out, I loved that my hair wasn't dry anymore and thought that it suddenly felt how it was supposed to feel like, but actually I was overconditioned and lacking protein. What I'm saying is that it takes a while to figure it out on your own and getting a hair analysis in the beginning can help point you in the right direction and speed things up.

I absolutely agree with you that ultimately "listening" to your hair is what is needed to properly guide you in the long run, and I agree with your "snapshot" metaphor as well.
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2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
[/B]Cowash: Cure Care + water
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
I agree with both of you. In the beginning, I was on this site reading obsessively every thread on every topic, trying to learn everything I could - but I was shooting in the dark as far as trying to figure out what MY hair needed, since I didn't know if it was fine, coarse, porous, not porous, etc. The only thing I knew was the elasticity, since my hair broke almost immediately upon stretching. But the rest? I had no idea. The hair analysis gave me the direction I needed.

Since then, I still go by the general guidelines for my hair properties, but I also listen to my hair and pay attention to how it behaves. I know now what's normal for my hair and what isn't, and I'm not afraid to experiment sometimes. I'm medium-coarse, which is "supposed" to stay away from protein all the time, but I have learned that my hair loves a nice, moisturizing mini-PT once in awhile, especially in summer. So I'm not stuck on what my analysis told me, but I'm also no longer blundering through products, hoping to accidentally stumble upon something that works. And I still, 3 years later, spend a good amount of time here reading. There are some super-smart peeps on this site, and there's always something new to learn!
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Sulfate/non-water-soluble silicone free since 8/16/10
Northern VA
Med-coarse, normal porosity, low elasticity
Dye-free since 11/2010

I think it's just hard for newbies to "listen" to their hair if they're just starting out. Their hair is changing anyway and there's the common syndrome "I don't know what my hair is supposed to feel like." I had that happen when I was starting out, I loved that my hair wasn't dry anymore and thought that it suddenly felt how it was supposed to feel like, but actually I was overconditioned and lacking protein. What I'm saying is that it takes a while to figure it out on your own and getting a hair analysis in the beginning can help point you in the right direction and speed things up.
Originally Posted by wavydaze
Meh. I was a beginner once too, along w/a lot of others here who found there way just fine w/out spending $$ for a temporary snapshot of their hair. I don't think paying for analysis would have helped me any more than just listening to my hair. (Plus, it was fun to explore some products along the way.)

Also, many of the problems people run into have more to do with product overload, pH balance issues and over-processing (some of which can alter properties, rendering a recent analysis useless). All it takes is using semi-permanent hair dye that contains just a little too much developer to alter porosity and elasticity. Analysis won't educate someone on how to remedy problems either. For ex., you can get a recommendation to use protein from an analysis, but it doesn't mean you'll know when to stop before ODing on it. Plus, some people get recommendations from their analysis that doesn't work out in reality. But listening to your hair is pretty fool-proof, along w/educating yourself to trouble-shoot.

I've said what I've said so that newbies don't feel like their ONLY option is paying for a service for which results come back weeks later and yield temporary results, and not always accurate results.
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3b/c?

Ringlet Fandango! ... Where curly ideas roam free

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I like live curly live frees website. It helped me a lot. From there, I was able to research other websites too!

And I have to strongly agree with Korscrew on the fact that hair does change. For example, I used to be low porosity. I dyed my hair with a permanent dye, and now I am high porosity. So my regimen had to change drastically.
High Porosity, Fine, Thin Density, Low Elasticity
Co-wash, leave in, and gel: Alba botanica coconut cond., ogx mousse, &/or super wet look gel.
Curls
I agree that it's not impossible, or even too terribly difficult, to figure out what works for your hair. However, based on what I've seen frequently at LHC, there are always a certain number of people who really want/need to be guided in terms of product choice. They want someone to tell them what to get, or at least point them in the right direction, so if a hair analysis does that for them then it's probably worth the money even if it's only a snapshot in time. Me, I like to experiment, but I like the idea of the analysis because I'm just curious. I'd probably get the Komaza one as well if it was available. I really don't need help with product choices.
3a/b, F, normal porosity

Suave conditioner, LAL gel

Last edited by CurlyInTheFog; 07-17-2013 at 02:02 AM.
I got the LCLF one done a couple years ago. Had my properties completely wrong! I purchased the Komaza Care one and didn't send in my sample until last week. I'm interested to see if their analysis is the same and for the more in depth information.

I'll update when I hear back!

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Coarse texture, normal-high porosity, normal elasticity (Komaza Care), very weak waves
cleanser: Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix

rinse out: GVP Conditioning Balm, CJ Repair Me, CJ Smoothing

jellies/creams: CR Curl Maker, KCCC, UFD Curly Magic
gels: CJ CQ, BRHG

I've said what I've said so that newbies don't feel like their ONLY option is paying for a service for which results come back weeks later and yield temporary results, and not always accurate results.
Originally Posted by Korkscrew
::nod::
2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
[/B]Cowash: Cure Care + water
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
Also, many of the problems people run into have more to do with product overload, pH balance issues and over-processing (some of which can alter properties, rendering a recent analysis useless). All it takes is using semi-permanent hair dye that contains just a little too much developer to alter porosity and elasticity. Analysis won't educate someone on how to remedy problems either. For ex., you can get a recommendation to use protein from an analysis, but it doesn't mean you'll know when to stop before ODing on it. Plus, some people get recommendations from their analysis that doesn't work out in reality. But listening to your hair is pretty fool-proof, along w/educating yourself to trouble-shoot.

I've said what I've said so that newbies don't feel like their ONLY option is paying for a service for which results come back weeks later and yield temporary results, and not always accurate results.
Originally Posted by Korkscrew
Semi permanent dye doesn't contain developer nor anything that should alter porosity/ elasticity it's just colour molecules in a conditioner base. Demi permanent contains very low vol peroxide is that what you meant?

I think a lot of problems come with people working out their properties fairly accurately, then either totally ignoring them when they choose products or blaming completely the wrong ingredient for 'bad hair'. I've lost track how many times I've read of people claiming protein sensitivity when they are using no or barely any protein, yet potent humectants in every product or polyquats that are known to build up. Or people claiming an egg and oil treatment gave them protein overload, completely ignoring the effect of the fatty acids in the egg and oils that massively outweigh the (non penetrating) protein.

You are absolutely spot on to say we often don't know where to stop or how to use moderation/ balance - straight up heavy oiling or straight up gelatin or straight up aloe vera is not the same as using it as an ingredient balanced with ingredient from other 'families'.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I for one am looking forward to getting my analysis. I'm also looking forward to my hair appointment coming up. I would love some direction.

As a pp stated, I have no idea what my hair is supposed to feel like. I have no clue to the difference between normal and over conditioned, or if my hair is too dry.

Yes, with time I could figure out on my own what works for my hair and what doesn't.

I have been into this for two weeks now. I've read a lot on this forum and links. If anything I'm becoming more confused. Humectants, fatty acids, proteins, dew points, etc. can make one's head spin and eyes glaze over. When FireFox posts it's like a foreign language to me. I can read the words but I have no idea what they mean.

So, I continue to read here and elsewhere trying to learn. In the mean time I'm suffering with crappy looking hair, and I'm so tempted to just wash it with my old sulfate poo and give up. I have no idea if my hair is just going through a "transition" period and/or if I'm using the wrong products and/or the wrong technique.

By getting a hair analysis and going to a curl girl stylist I hope to give myself a boost in the right direction. I need a baseline for what is normal and what ingredients to look for or avoid.

Unfortunately, life won't let me spend as much time (or money) as I'd like trying to figure my hair out. Plus, as I said I'm not exactly wanting to go out in public with my hair right now. Hats and updos are my temporary fix.
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