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Old 07-15-2013, 05:37 PM   #1
 
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Besides frizz when wet, what other negative issues do you have when using products with polyquats?
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For me it was just the worst build up ever. There is nothing I can compare it to. My hair felt disgusting and it wouldn't low poo clean, so I couldn't use conditioner properly.
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Old 07-15-2013, 06:54 PM   #3
 
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^^^^ This! It only happened with one gel- it had a PQ as the 2nd ingredient. My hair felt like it had a plastic film on it that I couldn't wash out. I had to use a sulphate poo after low pooing twice. It felt like that wet and dry. I did not have the frizzy-when-wet thing.

I still use styling products with PQs and haven't had another episode like that. It was that one particular gel (biotera) that gave me the issue.
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My hair was frizzy when wet and dry did not curl anymore and felt like straw. It took a sulfate loaded shampoo twice to get it out. My offender was Curl Keeper.
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Oh and my offender was Curls in a Bottle, polyquat 10.
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This is all very interesting to me. Keep it coming!
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Not all polyquats cause problems, it is a huge family of ingredients with different properties - some are completely water soluble, some not.
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Not all polyquats cause problems, it is a huge family of ingredients with different properties - some are completely water soluble, some not.
Is there a list of these water soluble polyquats? I thought there was an article that listed some.
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Is there a list of these water soluble polyquats? I thought there was an article that listed some.
I found this. Very easy and laid out. I do not know if it's all the polyquats. This article isn't scholarly or anything, but should do the job none-the-less.

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Is there a list of these water soluble polyquats? I thought there was an article that listed some.
I found this. Very easy and laid out. I do not know if it's all the polyquats. This article isn't scholarly or anything, but should do the job none-the-less.

Polyquats:
Polyquaternium | Bluesun
It says polyquat 10 is water soluable and polyquat 4 should have little build up, but those two are some of the most common offenders on this board, so I'm not sure how well this all translates. Of course many people use these products and have no issues with, so maybe some of us just have weird hair.
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So...is polyquat-4 CG-friendly or not? I checked the gel I've been using and it has polyquat-69 which isn't listed in the article. I haven't had any issues with that gel so far...but I recently tried HETT mousse and HESMU which both have polyquat-4 and I hope I don't have to remove it with a sulfate shampoo now..:S
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This pretty much goes for anything, if you're using it and not experiencing build up, leave it be.
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Old 07-17-2013, 05:23 AM   #13
 
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I have problems with 4, 7 and 10, that I know of, so I stay away from all polyquats.

In the definition of 10, they use the term "film former." For me, the film doesn't come off without a stronger surfactant and several washes.
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Is there a list of these water soluble polyquats? I thought there was an article that listed some.
I found this. Very easy and laid out. I do not know if it's all the polyquats. This article isn't scholarly or anything, but should do the job none-the-less.

Polyquats:
Polyquaternium | Bluesun
It says polyquat 10 is water soluable and polyquat 4 should have little build up, but those two are some of the most common offenders on this board, so I'm not sure how well this all translates. Of course many people use these products and have no issues with, so maybe some of us just have weird hair.
Unfortunately, I don't have any personal negative experiences with PQ's, but you are right, I have noticed 10 and 4 being a general issue on here. I don't know how accurate everything is. I just liked how it was so plainly laid out. Unfortunately I couldn't find more of a scholarly article, so this one is a little iffy since it has '.com,' but I figured it would assist with just a jump start at least.
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My PQ problem was with PQ4 as the 2nd ingredient in a gel. However, one of my favorite gels has PQ10 (I think!) as one of the top ingredients and I don't have a problem with that....so, who knows!!!???
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I have been using CIAB for the last week or so - I guess I like it ok, but no more or less than anything else I've tried. If there is a chance of buildup I'd prefer not to use it over something without polyquats. So many things to learn!
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I have been using CIAB for the last week or so - I guess I like it ok, but no more or less than anything else I've tried. If there is a chance of buildup I'd prefer not to use it over something without polyquats. So many things to learn!
I loved CIAB, but it built up on me in less than a week. If you've been using for longer, you're probably fine. No point in wasting the bottle.
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I've had issues with polyquats twice. The first time was biotera gel and I couldn't figure out what was wrong with my hair other than it was terrible and kept getting worse. I had to use a sulfate shampoo twice to fix it. This morning I tried HESMU. I knew as it was putting it on my hair it wasn't going to work. It dried all tangly and nasty. I had to wash again with sulfate shampoo. No more polyquats for me. Especially number four.
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I have been using CIAB for the last week or so - I guess I like it ok, but no more or less than anything else I've tried. If there is a chance of buildup I'd prefer not to use it over something without polyquats. So many things to learn!
I loved CIAB, but it built up on me in less than a week. If you've been using for longer, you're probably fine. No point in wasting the bottle.
Technically - I've only had 3 washes - in that time - so I've only used it that many times. lol. I just have a smal sample bottle - I'll use it up, but won't order a full sized bottle.
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HESMU made it feel like there was a yucky plastic film on my hair. I was low-pooing regularly at the time I tried it, but it took more than one or two low-pooings to remove the buildup. (That was years ago, before people awakened to the fact that it could be better for our hair just to do a single, clarifying sulfate cleanse, and get on with it.) I wasn't sure which ingredient or combination of ingredients caused that, but I chucked it.
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