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Old 07-16-2013, 11:08 AM   #1
 
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Default Why is my hair so sticky and hard to comb through now???

I've been doing CG for about a year. For the last month or so, my hair has been feeling like it's stuck to my head and matted (particularly in the back/crown area) and finger detangling in the shower is really difficult. I use Avalon Organics Volumizing Rosemary Conditioner as it's had the best slip for my hair in the past. It doesn't seem to be doing anything now (new bottle). I've also tried KCKT and that seems a little better, but still difficult. I typically use Giovanni TTT to clarify as needed, but that doesn't seem to be helping now.

My hair is 3a (I think), fine, and I think it's high porosity, but I'm not sure. Moisture-rich conditioners weigh my hair down and make it stringy.

Help???
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm not sure what being CG has to do with matted hair? You should still be detangling and cleansing regularly.
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Old 07-16-2013, 11:54 AM   #3
 
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What are your properties and your current full routine? I didn't understand whether you were cowashing or low-pooing regularly. What are you stylers?

It sounds like maybe you have a lot of buildup? Do you have hard water in your area? You may need to do a strong clarifier - maybe a sulfate wash to remove certain ingredients like polyquats or a even shampoo with EDTA to remove mineral buildup from hard water.
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Old 07-16-2013, 12:34 PM   #4
 
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Sorry I wasn't clear. I meant that I haven't had these issues until recently but haven't changed anything in my routine. Maybe it's considered modified CG since I do wash every day?

I cowash with the AO conditioner daily and maybe once a week with the TTT. I can't leave conditioner or leave-ins in my hair or it is weighed down. I scrunch dry with a microfiber towel and then use a gel (can't think of the name of it right now, but it is sulfate/silicone free) and Curl Keeper. Sometimes just CK alone. I do have a water softener, so the water shouldn't be too bad.

Properties: 3a, fine, high porosity(?), low density

Thank you!

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Old 07-16-2013, 03:28 PM   #5
 
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Maybe it's considered modified CG since I do wash every day?
No, here, mod CG means you use silicones, but still follow the CG method. Washing everyday is just washing everyday- do you co-wash, low-poo, or fully sulphate shampoo? Sorry, just wanted to clear that up.
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Old 07-16-2013, 04:15 PM   #6
 
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I cowash with the AO conditioner daily and maybe once a week with the TTT. I can't leave conditioner or leave-ins in my hair or it is weighed down.

Properties: 3a, fine, high porosity(?), low density
Your hair is definitely Low Porosity because as you are mentionning leave-ins weight your hair down, which means that you hair strands have small holes which are not allowing products to be absorbed and when it does, its hard to get it out, thats probably the reason why your hair is stuck to your scalp, if I were you, I'd sulfate wash my hair, because apparently too much products build-up isnt good for your hair.
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Old 07-16-2013, 08:53 PM   #7
 
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Your hair is definitely Low Porosity because as you are mentionning leave-ins weight your hair down
That's not what low-porosity means. You can have fine and/or thin hair that gets weighed down... it doesn't have to do with porosity it has to do with how much (or little) hair you have and how fine the strands themselves are. Fine hair gets weighed down most, and thin hair will show any weight much easier... so fine and thin must use very light products whereas coarse and high density can use heavier products.

If product takes forever to absorb then that means you're low-po. Hope this helps!

Try clarifiying w/ a sulfate though, see if that helps.
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Old 07-16-2013, 09:04 PM   #8
 
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Could be a plastic buildup, too. Lots of gels have polymers or co-polymers, which are plastics that coat the hair. I remember reading a blog entry by a curly haired stylist who mentioned that lots of CG followers tend to get this sticky, built-up feeling from a plastic buildup. He suggested emptying a vitamin C capsule into a palmful of co-wash, and using that to clarify.

Works wonders for me

ETA: And, of course, I can't find that article anywhere. Sigh!
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Interesting!
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Your hair is definitely Low Porosity because as you are mentionning leave-ins weight your hair down
That's not what low-porosity means. You can have fine and/or thin hair that gets weighed down... it doesn't have to do with porosity it has to do with how much (or little) hair you have and how fine the strands themselves are. Fine hair gets weighed down most, and thin hair will show any weight much easier... so fine and thin must use very light products whereas coarse and high density can use heavier products.

If product takes forever to absorb then that means you're low-po. Hope this helps!

Try clarifiying w/ a sulfate though, see if that helps.
+1. I have fine/low porosity hair and use leave in with no difficulty. The cuticle layer is "tight." Low porosity hair has difficulty readily absorbing and releasing moisture--takes a LONG time to dry. Frequently, my hair is dry before product is completely absorbed.
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Old 07-17-2013, 05:44 AM   #11
 
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I've been doing CG for about a year. For the last month or so, my hair has been feeling like it's stuck to my head and matted (particularly in the back/crown area) and finger detangling in the shower is really difficult. I use Avalon Organics Volumizing Rosemary Conditioner as it's had the best slip for my hair in the past. It doesn't seem to be doing anything now (new bottle). I've also tried KCKT and that seems a little better, but still difficult. I typically use Giovanni TTT to clarify as needed, but that doesn't seem to be helping now.

My hair is 3a (I think), fine, and I think it's high porosity, but I'm not sure. Moisture-rich conditioners weigh my hair down and make it stringy.

Help???
I suspect you have build up, either waxy sebum or products or both. Do a chelating wash perhaps even with sulphates, try washing upside down so you hit that crown section.

That Avalon Organics doesn't look to be a good co-wash product, it's not rich in fatty alcohols nor cationic surfactants which are the cleansing emulsifiers. Instead it's rich in fatty acids and oils and humectants. Your co-wash is for effective but gentle cleansing it doesn't need the best slip, that is your rinse out or detangling conditioner's job. Do you have literally squeaky clean hair when you have rinsed out the Aubrey Organics?

Not sure what you mean by 'moisture rich' conditioners - which family of ingredients are you referring to? KCKT is not a true conditioner it is a detangler, it certainly is not suitable for co-washing becasue again it doesn't contain much cationic surfactants nor fatty alcohols. I wonder if your hair is weighed down because your cleanser is not effectively cleansing but instead leaving a thin oil coating so anything else is too much.

Curl Keeper is lovely for frizz control in the right dews, but is heavy on the humectants so can cause problems at certain times of year. For porous hair try hydrolysed protein and coconut oil treatments - that should not be too much oil if you are not loading your hair with non penetrating oils in your co-wash.
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Thank you for the responses!! I'm going to try shampooing tomorrow with a clarifying shampoo and figure something else out for conditioner. This is all still a bit overwhelming with so much to keep track of. Any suggestions for a styling product that is light but not high in humectants? It sounds like I should stay away from glycerin, too, at least for the summer.
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