Is there such thing as a product with good hold that doesn't dry crunchy?

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I don't mind crunch at home but I hate when I have to go out with crunchy hair when it's drying... And if I have a house guest and I'm walking around with crunchy hair for 6+ hours as it air dries.

Diffusing daily is not an option. I love the results but I feel like its drying my hair out (even on cool and low air). Leave ins under my gel help but its still crunchy. Mousses make me frizzy. Cnditioner only is ok but not enough hold.

I don't so much need hold for my waves but I need it for frizz control. Suggestions? Or is any product with hold going to dry stiff and crunchy?
2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
Dry climate.


SS CEJ? It doesn't have crunch (maybe just a tiny bit, usually uncrunches on its own) but it doesn't have a lot of hold. It has enough hold for me personally to kinda keep the wave as it dries, but definitely not a lot.

These [picture] are the results I got from SS CEJ after completely dry and SOT(minimal)C. I did a PT and used a very light leave-in underneath... I think those also played a role. I do really really like how it came out though, one of my best hair days this month.

I was also going to suggest FSG, have you tried? I don't know about okra but I would imagine it's not too crunchy.
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fine - normal porosity*?- medium density - normal elasticity. Hard water. SoCal.
*Used to be low-porosity, but I lightened my hair 1-2 shades, so I may be normal-porosity now.

New climate! Current favorites:
Low-poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Giovanni SaS
RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: CJ Repair Me, IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: JC Confident Coils, JC Rockin Ringlets, CJ CIAB, gelatin gel

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The gel in my signature. Seriously. I recently cheated on it and it made me appreciate it so much. I couldn't wait to go home and redo my hair. It leaves my hair feeling really smooth and product-less, but it holds well while wet. Even if I over do it and get some crunch, it still not even close to other products. I can't really scrunch my tightly curly hair, so I have to have a product that's stiffness is easily broken.
Sorry, off topic wavydaze but your hair is absolutely gorgeous. Thick and lustrous.
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

The gel in my signature. Seriously. I recently cheated on it and it made me appreciate it so much. I couldn't wait to go home and redo my hair. It leaves my hair feeling really smooth and product-less, but it holds well while wet. Even if I over do it and get some crunch, it still not even close to other products. I can't really scrunch my tightly curly hair, so I have to have a product that's stiffness is easily broken.
Originally Posted by Jessiebanana
I'm intrigued! I'm having trouble finding the ingredients though.. does it have a lot of humectants?
fine - normal porosity*?- medium density - normal elasticity. Hard water. SoCal.
*Used to be low-porosity, but I lightened my hair 1-2 shades, so I may be normal-porosity now.

New climate! Current favorites:
Low-poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Giovanni SaS
RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: CJ Repair Me, IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: JC Confident Coils, JC Rockin Ringlets, CJ CIAB, gelatin gel

iherb discount code: CFN646
I was looking for ingredients, too. There's a little organic store a few miles away that carries it so I can always read the back there.
2C normal/high porosity?, medium/coarse texture, lower density
Cleanse: Pura D'Or every week or two, Yes to Cukes
Conditioner: VO5 Kiwi Lime (LOVE!), Tresemme Naturals, YTC
DT: GVP Conditioning Balm w/ coconut oil
LI: a touch of JCTS
Products: my HG is Tresemme Bouncy Curls Defining Gel mixed with a touch of BRHG over a little flax seed gel, SM Souflee/Milk for 2nd day hair, occasionally Bioterra Curling Creme and Gel
Modified CG since November 2012- finally found what works!
Sorry, off topic wavydaze but your hair is absolutely gorgeous. Thick and lustrous.
Originally Posted by dusalocks
Thank you... it's not actually very thick, i'm cheating because half that hair is coming from the other side of my head (so flipped).
fine - normal porosity*?- medium density - normal elasticity. Hard water. SoCal.
*Used to be low-porosity, but I lightened my hair 1-2 shades, so I may be normal-porosity now.

New climate! Current favorites:
Low-poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Giovanni SaS
RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: CJ Repair Me, IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: JC Confident Coils, JC Rockin Ringlets, CJ CIAB, gelatin gel

iherb discount code: CFN646
Oh, haha. I cheat often too because my left side is skinner than my right for whatever reason. Just flip it, ladies!
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

The gel in my signature. Seriously. I recently cheated on it and it made me appreciate it so much. I couldn't wait to go home and redo my hair. It leaves my hair feeling really smooth and product-less, but it holds well while wet. Even if I over do it and get some crunch, it still not even close to other products. I can't really scrunch my tightly curly hair, so I have to have a product that's stiffness is easily broken.
Originally Posted by Jessiebanana
I'm intrigued! I'm having trouble finding the ingredients though.. does it have a lot of humectants?
Originally Posted by wavydaze
Found this
Ingredients Water, PVP/VA Copolymer, Propylene Glycol, Glycerin, Carbomer, Triethanolamine, Nonoxynol-9, Fragrance (Parfum), Disodium EDTA, Diazolidinyl Urea, Ext. D&C Violet No. 2 (CI No. 60730).
2c/3a cg 01/10/13

Hair Properties: low( first 4 inches) / high porosity, medium density, fine/medium texture Climate : hot humid summer, coastal GA

Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut / Everlasting Sunshine, V05
Rinse out :Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Moisture, VO5 ocean refresh
LI: SMCHM ,SMCS, JCRR,
Gel: La Looks sport, Volumax mega gel,Biosilk Rock Hard gel my HG

Love ACV , pedaheh's gelatin treatment
My hair hates everything Deva curl and Curl Keeper,
To answer your question....no, not for me, and I've tried just about every product out there! For me, Hold = crunch, unfortunately.

FSG & okra gel have LESS crunch, but also less hold. They are good for frizz control, though, so it would be worth a shot!
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
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Looks like someone beat me to it. I posted the ingredients on here when I first bought it. It does contain humectants, but most polymer based gels do. The glycerin provides a barrier and softens the hold. My hair is low porosity and loves glycerin so I can't really tell you if it does anything negative. Ecostyler even has glycerin and it's a hard hold mess.
Depends what you mean by hold, I get decent curl retention/ not flopping if I've used hydrolysed protein and/ or magnesium sulphate. They don't hold in the traditional sense but tighten the curl pattern partly from the inside which translates to curl retention.

In the wrong humidity/ dews products containing too much in the way of powerful humectants can weigh my hair down whilst it's drying, so less hold in the curliest state due to the extra water.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Try a mousse.
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SS CEJ? It doesn't have crunch (maybe just a tiny bit, usually uncrunches on its own) but it doesn't have a lot of hold. It has enough hold for me personally to kinda keep the wave as it dries, but definitely not a lot.

These [picture] are the results I got from SS CEJ after completely dry and SOT(minimal)C. I did a PT and used a very light leave-in underneath... I think those also played a role. I do really really like how it came out though, one of my best hair days this month.

I was also going to suggest FSG, have you tried? I don't know about okra but I would imagine it's not too crunchy.
Originally Posted by wavydaze
Hi wavydaze. What is SS CEJ? I couldn't find it in the abbreviations list, but then I may be missing it. Thanks.
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SS CEJ = Spiral Solutions Curl Enhancing Jelly. It's good stuff, though it does contain mag sulfate (just in case that's a concern).

I've been loving UFDCM (Uncle Funky's Daughter Curly Magic) lately. Very light crunch that's easy to scrunch out, good hold, hair feels productless.
Sulfate/non-water-soluble silicone free since 8/16/10
Northern VA
Med-coarse, normal porosity, low elasticity
Dye-free since 11/2010

You might like Moroccanoil Curl Control Mousse. Really pumps wave and little to no crunch. I need gel over it but many may not. Especially finer hair. It's pretty awesome.
SS CEJ = Spiral Solutions Curl Enhancing Jelly. It's good stuff, though it does contain mag sulfate (just in case that's a concern).

I've been loving UFDCM (Uncle Funky's Daughter Curly Magic) lately. Very light crunch that's easy to scrunch out, good hold, hair feels productless.
Originally Posted by Rustina
I've been waiting for your review...!!! Used it today myself!
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
I love it, Chloe! It's curl enhancing and frizz reducing, has decent hold (my hair usually loses curl or frizzes as the day wears on, but not with UFDCM!), and is super slippery in wet hair, so easy to distribute. I can use a lot and my hair still just feels soft and like there's nothing in it when it's dry. And I don't usually get second day hair, but UFDCM works well in dry hair - and my hair is maintaining its curl overnight, which is also something I never used to get. This is as close to an HG styler as I've ever used!
Sulfate/non-water-soluble silicone free since 8/16/10
Northern VA
Med-coarse, normal porosity, low elasticity
Dye-free since 11/2010

I love it, Chloe! It's curl enhancing and frizz reducing, has decent hold (my hair usually loses curl or frizzes as the day wears on, but not with UFDCM!), and is super slippery in wet hair, so easy to distribute. I can use a lot and my hair still just feels soft and like there's nothing in it when it's dry. And I don't usually get second day hair, but UFDCM works well in dry hair - and my hair is maintaining its curl overnight, which is also something I never used to get. This is as close to an HG styler as I've ever used!
Originally Posted by Rustina
I can't use it alone- I have to use another hard hold gel on top, but I use this interchangeably with my okra gel as my "middle" curl-enhancing/clumping product. Are you using it alone? I do LOVE it on dry hair too! This is definitely one of my top products that I will never be without!
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
I have been using alone, yes. I'm getting a little frizz, but nothing like I usually get with other products. I usually top everything with BRHG, but I ran out and haven't been able to find it at my usual stores. I've been pleasantly surprised at how well the UFDCM holds up without anything else on top, so I'll be really interested to see how it does with a dab of BRHG, once I can lay my hands on it again!
Sulfate/non-water-soluble silicone free since 8/16/10
Northern VA
Med-coarse, normal porosity, low elasticity
Dye-free since 11/2010

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