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Old 07-20-2013, 06:58 AM   #1
 
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Default help! my hair is too soft after day 1 of CG!

hi there curly girlies!
well for the first time in my life I have decided to fully embrace my natural curly hair. mostly out of the need for an easier routine in the morning. for 10 years I straightened my hair every day because I hated, no, LOATHED, my 3b (with a bit of 3a) curly hair. it's pretty fine, medium length, and I have a lot of it. normally it's pretty dry.

after a week or two of wearing it natural I decided to try going CG. today I did my last shampoo, cowashed and then conditioned (used aussi moist for the cowash and tresseme naturals for my condition), then I put in marc anthony curl defining lotion as normal, and curl boosting spray. i diffused less than normal because the goal was to reduce the wild frizz I've been experiencing, and let me tell you, my hair is like BUTTER. but it won't hold the curl!

I know my hair is healthy, it is coloured but my hair dresser is amazing and uses elumen dye which is supposed to be better for your hair? I also recently had it cut, so there is hardly any damaged or split ends. could it be that my hair actually is just too soft/over conditioned on the first day of CG??

I don't want to use gels or mousses because scrunching is a nightmare for my hair and always separates the curls around the side of my head and they frizz. I also really really want to avoid crunchy/hard/wet looking hair. another problem is I'm on a budget and I can't spend 100000000 dollars on something. I need a product that will maintain the softness but hold the curl. preferably something I could find at Walmart?

please help me, if you can!
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Old 07-20-2013, 07:34 AM   #2
 
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Hi!
I think your hair are still adapting to the new routine, they are in a transition phase.
I have fine hair too and i noticed that too rich products (like spray or creme with too much oil or butters) weight them down flattening the curls.
For the styling i'm using flaxseed gel with a bit of glycerine and hydrolized protein in it and the curls are defined and soft
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Old 07-20-2013, 07:45 AM   #3
 
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Welcome! What are your hair properties and dew points/ humidity? See Live Curly Live Free website, frizz forecast app on the main NC site, all the stickes on the newbies board and this one.

Forget what scrunching always does, there are different application methods (raking, smoothing with palms, gentle squeezing in) and different techniques work with different products and other techniques. Scrunching into dripping hair is way different to scrunching into damp hair. And your hair should change it's tastes and needs as it gets healthier - many of us struggle to get or maintain clumps in the early days of CG.

If you want hold you probably want a gel/ jelly or mousse depending on your hair type. Crunch gets gently scrunched out when your hair is bone dry (many of us press or squeeze it's not a vigorous thing). Which leave in conditioner you use and how much is a major part of clumping, not simply your styling product.

If you've been flat ironing fine hair daily and permanently colour treating your hair is highly unlikely to be healthy it will be damaged, dryness and frizz is likely symptomatic of that. Split or velcro ends don't just mean hair is damaged, they mean the ends are damaged beyond repair or 'fried'. For damaged or porous hair beneficial ingredients include coconut oil, hydrolysed protein, ceramides and panthenol. Fine hair does particularly well with hydrolysed protein.

HTH.
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Old 07-20-2013, 08:17 AM   #4
 
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Welcome! What are your hair properties and dew points/ humidity? See Live Curly Live Free website, frizz forecast app on the main NC site, all the stickes on the newbies board and this one.

Forget what scrunching always does, there are different application methods (raking, smoothing with palms, gentle squeezing in) and different techniques work with different products and other techniques. Scrunching into dripping hair is way different to scrunching into damp hair. And your hair should change it's tastes and needs as it gets healthier - many of us struggle to get or maintain clumps in the early days of CG.

If you want hold you probably want a gel/ jelly or mousse depending on your hair type. Crunch gets gently scrunched out when your hair is bone dry (many of us press or squeeze it's not a vigorous thing). Which leave in conditioner you use and how much is a major part of clumping, not simply your styling product.

If you've been flat ironing fine hair daily and permanently colour treating your hair is highly unlikely to be healthy it will be damaged, dryness and frizz is likely symptomatic of that. Split or velcro ends don't just mean hair is damaged, they mean the ends are damaged beyond repair or 'fried'. For damaged or porous hair beneficial ingredients include coconut oil, hydrolysed protein, ceramides and panthenol. Fine hair does particularly well with hydrolysed protein.

HTH.
you're right. I'm sure there is some damaged hair in there still. I think what I meant to say is that it's the healthiest it's ever been, in almost a decade. I'm very familiar with fried hair, I've dealt with some of the most damaged ugly hair you've ever seen, it's gotten so bad on a few occasions that my hair would actually get shorter, because of how much was breaking off. I actually don't have much of a problem with frizz now that I moisturized with lots of conditioner, my hair is so soft but yeah as stated above the curls just kinda slipped apart. it's very strange!

As for humidity, it's like 50% where I am today, it's a cooler, dryer day, but we have been having a heat wave so that could be why my hair is behaving so differently.

Thank you so much for your tips, maybe I will try a gel after all. mousse probably not, I just really hate the idea of it and to be honest the texture of it and the sound it makes when you dispense it gives me the shivers LOL! I like the idea of crunching out the hard bits, I never really thought of that! Very smart!

I will say that my hair is ok now that it's fully dried. one thing I noticed is that my curls are definitely getting wider but shorter. before, when my hair was at the peak of it's damage, it was tiny little s shaped kinks, but now they're fuller like true 3a, but much more spirally and in turn, shorter. I don't have mixed or African American hair but I do believe its possible for me to experience some major shrinkage!

But again, thank you so much, I have this bookmarked for sure!
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Old 07-20-2013, 11:33 AM   #5
 
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Double check the ingredients on your Aussie Moist conditioner. If I recall correctly, it has a silicone (ingredients ending in -cone, -conol, and -xane) and the 'cone isn't water soluble so you won't be able to cowash it out of your hair. If you find a 'cone, you can repeat your sulfate wash, or pick up a low poo (sulfate free shampoo) that contains Cocamidpopropyl Betaine or Cocobetaine. Either method will remove any silicones left on your hair.
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Old 07-20-2013, 02:11 PM   #6
 
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Don't be afraid to try gels. If you get crunch, just scrunch it out. Believe me, I want just about as hard a hold as you can get, and while it's drying my hair looks like it's shellacked, but once I scrunch the crunch out you can't tell I have product in my hair. I have curls without the gel, but they will separate and get very floaty.
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Old 07-20-2013, 03:31 PM   #7
 
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure Aussie Moist has a silicone in it. Is this the spray you use? Because if so it also has a silicone in it. Curls Marc Anthony Curl Booster Ulta.com - Cosmetics, Fragrance, Salon and Beauty Gifts It would probably be nice to get a coco betaine shampoo, especially if you want to keep using the cone products. You can't be completely Shampoo free and use products with cones. They will not cowash out of your hair, and you will get build up.

If you have fine hair, I wouldn't cowash with something so heavy. I would consider Aussie Moist to be a rinse out conditioner. If you want to incorporate a shampoo and keep using Aussie, you should switch between TN and Aussie. Both together is probably overkill. You might be better cowashing with Suave Naturals conditioner or maybe VO5 conditioner. That much conditioner might have left you a little overconditioned.

Also, you might just need definition in your hair. You say you dislike gel, but have you tried scrunching out the crunch when your hair is dry? Like, after your hair is mostly or completely dry with gel in it, you can scrunch your hair to make it feel soft like it doesn't have gel in it. Then, you maintain your style and definition, but your hair doesn't have that hard wet look. If you don't like gel, then maybe mousse would be nice? Either way, a lot of curlies find that adding product is better on soaking wet hair instead of damp hair.

Here are some helpful links:
How to Follow the Curly Girl Method
Curlies on a Budget
Plopping
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Old 07-20-2013, 03:58 PM   #8
 
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I second looking at your Aussie. Have you also considered adding a little protein to your regimen? That usually helps bring curls back to life with the elasticity, along with other benefits.
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Old 07-20-2013, 04:52 PM   #9
 
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I was never a gel user either.. but scrunching out the crunch is SOOO much fun!!
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Old 07-21-2013, 09:25 AM   #10
 
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I'm not a gel person either and I spent a long time avoiding them. Once I ran out of all my non gel options I tried a gel hunt and actually found a wonderful gel that dries without crunch.
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