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Old 07-25-2013, 01:30 PM   #1
 
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Default Need a leave-in recommendation

I have been getting better results skipping the leave-in stage, but my hair is pretty dry and I really do think I need something. My problem with leave-ins in the past has been that they seem to bulk up my coarse, dense hair and make it even coarser and denser, which is the last thing I want. The other problem I have is a lot of individual, coarse, wiry hairs on the crown that I believe may be damage, possibly sun damage, so something with UV protection would also be ideal.

FYI, I know some have had issues with the Tresemme Naturals Moist I'm using as a co-wash and a rinse-out--it was my first bottle of CG product and I'm almost done with it, so please feel free to suggest an alternate CO and RO as well.

Please recommend whatever you want, but I'm most likely to use only reasonably priced mass market products.
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Old 07-25-2013, 01:51 PM   #2
 
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My problem with leave-ins in the past has been that they seem to bulk up my coarse, dense hair and make it even coarser and denser, which is the last thing I want.
Which leave-ins were those? I would love a leave-in that makes my hair look more dense! Products usually make my hair look less dense. I feel like any heavier conditioner would work, how does your hair handle protein?
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:18 PM   #3
 
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Most recently it was the Tresemme itself that caused the problem--but it is a lifelong problem with leave-ins (and product in general) for me. Gel is apparently the exception--it tamps down both the frizz and the volume. I want something that will do that but also soften.

I am pretty sure my hair does not want protein--I base that on its overall coarseness and a pervasive problem with that straw-like feeling (much better since CG, but still something of an issue). I have also had negative (straw-like) experiences with coconut oil, and I gather that's typical of people whose hair is protein-sensitive.

I like my waves, but I honestly don't care that much about curl definition or clumping or anything nearly as much as I care about eliminating frizz, diminishing volume, and softening.
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:31 PM   #4
 
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So the TNM is the only leave-in that you've tried, or the other leave-ins that you've tried weren't CG anyway and you couldn't use those?

What about something like using Darcy's Botanicals Pumpkin seed condish or CJ Smoothing Lotion? I was looking at Jessiebanana's siggy! She has fine hair but cannot handle protein. As far as drugstore brands, maybe using YestoCucumbers or YestoBlueberries as a leave-in. I think dusalocks and myrna were talking about these recently; they're both coarse-haired.

Any rich, protein-free conditioner should work. You're lucky with coarse and dense hair you won't really get weighed down (in a bad way) so you are free to experiment!
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Cowash: CJ Daily Fix
Low-poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Giovanni 2chic BK&AO
RO: TN Radiant Care, Giovanni SaS, Ogx BKT*, Sukin Nourishing, SS Caitlin's, various
LI: sometimes TN Radiant Care
Styler: FSG with CNPF, CJ Pattern Pusha, Volumax Mega, Ouidad Climate Control*, Ogx BKT serum*
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:35 PM   #5
 
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So the TNM is the only leave-in that you've tried, or the other leave-ins that you've tried weren't CG anyway and you couldn't use those?
Correctimundo. Or maybe the leave-ins were CG, but I wasn't.

I was thinking from someone's recent post that Yes to Blueberries sounded intriguing. Thank you for reminding me!
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Old 07-25-2013, 08:41 PM   #6
 
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I'm using the queen helene conditioner thing and a squirt of grapeseed oil. You don't need much of it because it's so thick and it's the single best thing I've ever put on my hair, ever. Their curl forming jelly thing is amazing too, and you also don't need a lot of it. I live in the Northwest and the humidity here is off the freaking charts, and this thing has singlehandedly unpoofed my hair in ways that I don't even grasp. It's not entirely cheap and it's also not too easy to find, but they do have a website. It lasts forrrrever though and I have a lot of hair.

I don't know what's in it though, I don't have the hang of the whole ingredient thing past the whole no sulfate stuff. I just know my hair really likes it.
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Old 07-26-2013, 06:17 AM   #7
 
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More deets, please! The cholesterol or royal jelly line? I think they carry that at my local CVS.
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Avoiding protein and glycerin; going for soft, non-crunchy, frizz-free waves
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Old 07-26-2013, 09:03 AM   #8
 
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Just a thought, as I am no expert. But have you tried scrunching in some coconut oil before your styling product? Maybe keep skipping the leave in and try the oil? I had quit using it when I started CG. I recently went back to it and my hair feels/looks so much better.
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Old 07-26-2013, 09:58 AM   #9
 
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Oh I remembered, an awesome leave-in without protein is the Alba Botanica LI. Leave-In Conditioner - Dry/Weak Hair - Hair Care It was one of the first leave-ins that I purchased and my hair drank it up! Now I'm finding I can't use it that much anymore as my hair isn't really dry ever (actually OCs easily due to it being fine) and likes a bit of protein, but I still keep it around because I liked it so much.
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fine - low porosity - medium density - normal elasticity. Very high dews. Soft water.

Cowash: CJ Daily Fix
Low-poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Giovanni 2chic BK&AO
RO: TN Radiant Care, Giovanni SaS, Ogx BKT*, Sukin Nourishing, SS Caitlin's, various
LI: sometimes TN Radiant Care
Styler: FSG with CNPF, CJ Pattern Pusha, Volumax Mega, Ouidad Climate Control*, Ogx BKT serum*
PT: CJ Repair Me, IAgirl's gelatine

*have cones
underline = I love these!

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Old 07-26-2013, 11:11 PM   #10
 
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Royal Jelly.
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