How can I enhance my curly ringlets?

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I have a few thoughts about your routine.

First off, the Burt's Bees shampoos, while technically low-poos because they don't contain sulfate detergents, have replaced those sulfate detergents with a whopping load of non-sulfate detergents, so they're only marginally better. If you mean to be CGing, I would suggest looking for something gentler.

We don't know if you're using silicones on your hair, since the conditioner is an unknown, but the poo you're using is likely to be removing them. When you replace that, since it seems to be discontinued, it would probably be good to look for something which is volumizing. Griffin Remedy Volumizing Conditioner, Nature's Gate Volumizing Conditioner, TRESemmé Naturals Radiant Volume Conditioner, or Desert Essence Green Apple & Ginger Conditioner would be good replacements. I have superfine hair, like cobwebs, and I find the Griffin Remedy Volumizing Conditioner works particularly well for me.

I would strongly recommend your combing your hair with the conditioner still on it, rather than rinsing first.

I don't believe there's anything to gain from waiting until you can't stand it before towel drying your hair. If you're going to do it, save yourself the aggravation and just do it.

I love Curl Keeper. Yes, it has glycerine, but I've had great luck with it in all dew points since I starting doing the Baptismal/sprinkle rinse. I know the Baptismal rinse seems counterintuitive with fine hair, but it works really great for me.

I can't recommend FSG highly enough.
Peace,
Morgan

Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
CGing since July 2008
I second PT, I also like the gelatin treatment mentioned. It can be a bit strong though, so you can always get Ion effective care at Sally's to try first to make sure your not protein sensitive. I would also make sure to follow up with a good DT.
Originally Posted by stefflg79
I've tried Ion Effective Care as an RO and it kind of smothered my fine, protein-loving hair. Not nearly enough protein to be a true protein treatment, or even a good protein RO for those who need it.... however it may work as a PT for those who are coarse haired and need less protein.

Though it does happen, it is uncommon for fine hair to be "protein sensitive." When I went to Live Curly Live Free, Tiff told me "protein, protein, protein!" on account of my fine hair.

The first time you go for the gelatin PT, I would do the plain (and quick) version... just to get a better idea of how your hair is responding to the protein itself, and not to the other additives. If your hair springs up, then yes it likes protein and it's just a matter of figuring out how much. If it has no effect, try a stronger, longer version of the gelatin PT in a week later. If you get strawlike or "crunchy" hair after the quick, plain gelatin PT, then do a DT afterward.

I do the plain one, comprised of one packed of Knox gelatin, 1/3 cup water, 3 drops of olive oil and a splash of vinegar. I wouldn't be able to add more oil to my PT otherwise it kind of ceases to be a PT for me. Also, you don't always need to DT after a PT. I know some people have to... I don't, I just follow with my regular RO.
fine - normal porosity*?- medium density - normal elasticity. Hard water. SoCal.
*Used to be low-porosity, but I lightened my hair 1-2 shades, so I may be normal-porosity now.

New climate! Current favorites:
Low-poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Giovanni SaS
RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: CJ Repair Me, IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: JC Confident Coils, JC Rockin Ringlets, CJ CIAB, gelatin gel

iherb discount code: CFN646
I'll piggy back on the protein, protein and more protein. I do at least one PT a week and use a lot of products with protein.

It may not be possible for you to get good second day hair. For some of us, it just isn't. (Of course, I'm really picky, so what might be acceptable to some, isn't for me.)

While I put products into soaking wet hair, I start my drying process after that. Wrap hair in a Curlease (or flour sack) towel while I dress and do make up. Scrunch out water with Curls Like Us towel. Diffuse for a few minutes to set the curls. Air dry for a few hours (my hair is low porosity and takes a long time to dry.)
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Alrighty so I'm about to go to Sally's and look for a PT. I got into some chlorine this weekend and my hair is hurting.
Also, I'm gonna try a new shampoo and conditioner.
At Sally's should I look for the colorful neutral protein filler?
The neutral protein filler is definitely good to have since you have a lot of control over just how 'strong' it is based on how much you mix into you products and what products you mix it in with. I had a horrible reaction to a hardcore PT (ion Reconstructor) a while back, but my hair handles the CNPF well since I can mix it into my conditioner, only use a few drops, and because my hair does better with protein over the summer. I suggest trying the CNPF or the gelatin recipe at half strength until you know how your hair will react. You'll probably be fine with protein, but I had such a bad experience jumping right in that I suggest moderation until you're sure how your hair will react!
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2C normal/high porosity?, medium/coarse texture, lower density
Cleanse: Pura D'Or every week or two, Yes to Cukes
Conditioner: VO5 Kiwi Lime (LOVE!), Tresemme Naturals, YTC
DT: GVP Conditioning Balm w/ coconut oil
LI: a touch of JCTS
Products: my HG is Tresemme Bouncy Curls Defining Gel mixed with a touch of BRHG over a little flax seed gel, SM Souflee/Milk for 2nd day hair, occasionally Bioterra Curling Creme and Gel
Modified CG since November 2012- finally found what works!
Yes, Sally's has the NPF. I found it by the hair dye.
Fine/Thin hair (low density)
Normal porosity
Normal Elasticity

Techniques: Modified Super Soaker, plopping, pixe diffusing, clipping

Low poo: Acure, Y2Cukes
Co Wash: SNRS, Suave Tropical Coconut
RO: Y2C
Style: FSG (HG!!!!), with HETT & BRHG or Devacurl Ultra light defining Gel
PT: IAGirls Gelatin
DT: GVP CB mixed with Coconut oil, Olive Oil, Agave (or honey).

Favorite Styling tools: Devafuser, Deva clips & Flour Sack Towels
So, here's a pic post gelatin homemade treatment!! I think it made my curls tighter if that's possible? Definitely doing it again How can I enhance my curly ringlets?-imageuploadedbycurltalk1375057139.405876.jpg

Thanks so much for the protein suggestion guys it made a world of difference after one time!
So, here's a pic post gelatin homemade treatment!! I think it made my curls tighter if that's possible? Definitely doing it again Attachment 37608

Thanks so much for the protein suggestion guys it made a world of difference after one time!
Originally Posted by ManeMaid
Yup, protein makes my waves tighter too... being over-conditioned makes my waves and curls droop.

Glad it worked out for you!
fine - normal porosity*?- medium density - normal elasticity. Hard water. SoCal.
*Used to be low-porosity, but I lightened my hair 1-2 shades, so I may be normal-porosity now.

New climate! Current favorites:
Low-poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Giovanni SaS
RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: CJ Repair Me, IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: JC Confident Coils, JC Rockin Ringlets, CJ CIAB, gelatin gel

iherb discount code: CFN646
Yay for sucess!!!!! If you make the FSG, I add the NPF to my FSG at 1/2 tsp per cup of FSG (after straining). I also add some Epsom Salts 1/4 tsp while boiling the Flaxseeds (also a curl enhancer). Other ways I am experimenting with adding protein is California Baby detangler, using as a protein spray for a boost midday and experimenting with ecostyler Krystal (gel).
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Fine/Thin hair (low density)
Normal porosity
Normal Elasticity

Techniques: Modified Super Soaker, plopping, pixe diffusing, clipping

Low poo: Acure, Y2Cukes
Co Wash: SNRS, Suave Tropical Coconut
RO: Y2C
Style: FSG (HG!!!!), with HETT & BRHG or Devacurl Ultra light defining Gel
PT: IAGirls Gelatin
DT: GVP CB mixed with Coconut oil, Olive Oil, Agave (or honey).

Favorite Styling tools: Devafuser, Deva clips & Flour Sack Towels
FSG is a good place to start for a number of reasons.

First, it doesn't contain protein, glycerin or other substances that create problems for some people. (And it's all natural.)

Second, it's hard to actually overdo FSG applications, and seems to work well on hair that is fine or easily weighed down.

Third, it's cost effective. It's ridiculously low-priced compared to most store-bought gels (and more moisturizing).

Drawbacks: It's the consistency of egg whites, which can be off-putting at first. Also, it requires a little effort to make (not much though). Also, it can take a while to dry. Finally, it expires quickly unless you add preservatives.

Whatever you do, good luck!
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