How can I enhance my curly ringlets?

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I have thin hair, but it has a lot of curl. I recently got lots of layers but my hair still feels flat! Is it weighed down by product? Or is it to dry? One day I'll have bouncy Shirley temple ringlets then the next ill just have frizzled swirls!! How can I enhance my ringlets, any tips??How can I enhance my curly ringlets?-imageuploadedbycurltalk1374851706.812042.jpg that is my hair on a frizzled day
I think your "frizzled swirls" look beautiful. What are your properties and what is your current routine?
fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: no guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, gelatin gel

Recent findings: my hair likes Cure Care diluted with water as a cowash; does NOT like guar h.c.!

iherb discount code: CFN646
Omg I love your frizzled swirls.
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I shampoo every other day, rinse conditioner out with cold water, then use a wide tooth comb as soon as I get out of the shower. Then when I can't stand the dripping I blot dry upside down with a tshirt. I do this every time but the result varies so much! Then when it's half dry I add some organic Shea butter curl cream
This is my hair behaving, but I only get it like this once in a while and I don't know why! How can I enhance my curly ringlets?-imageuploadedbycurltalk1374854623.765689.jpg
Hmmm. Maybe a nice flax seed gel just to calm it on non-wash but wet down days. Sealed with the butter.
You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
Is that something I can get at whole foods? That's where the cream is from
I shampoo every other day, rinse conditioner out with cold water, then use a wide tooth comb as soon as I get out of the shower. Then when I can't stand the dripping I blot dry upside down with a tshirt. I do this every time but the result varies so much! Then when it's half dry I add some organic Shea butter curl cream
Originally Posted by ManeMaid
What products are you using?
fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: no guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, gelatin gel

Recent findings: my hair likes Cure Care diluted with water as a cowash; does NOT like guar h.c.!

iherb discount code: CFN646
Wavy I get the impression that's all she uses. Poo condish and Shea butter.
You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
Is that something I can get at whole foods? That's where the cream is from
Originally Posted by ManeMaid
You can make it or if you don't mind mag sulfate get Jessicurl Rockin Ringlets or search Etsy for someone who makes it. It's fairly universally loved for making hair behave and very hard to "overdo". Another product people love as a first line after conditioning is CHS Curl Keeper. (Which some gals just get some KY Jelly as they are fairly solar-kid you not ). What's your weather like?
You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
Oooh the curl keeper sounds nice! The weather is humid humid humid. I can't straighten my hair in the summer bc it will literally curl right back up!
I use Burt's bees raspberry shampoo and then redkin butter treat conditioner
Wavy I get the impression that's all she uses. Poo condish and Shea butter.
Originally Posted by chupie
Yes but which shampoo, which conditioner, which shea butter curl cream and what are the ingredients? Manemaid, have you figured out your hair properties and what are the dews in your city? Are you CG or interested in being CG?

I can't really give good suggestions without knowing these details.

My initial thoughts may be that the shea butter curl cream may be too heavy for your hair.... especially if you have thin hair. What about hair width? Fine and thin are different things.... "fine" and "coarse" refer to hair width or texture on nc.com (as in how girthy each individual hair strand is, think diameter on cross section of each hair strand) while "thin" or "thick" refers to density, so how many hair strands you have. You can be fine and thin, fine and thick, coarse and thin, coarse and thick... or in between in any combination.

Anyway the more you tell us about your hair properties, dew points and what you've been using the better we can help you.

Live Curly Live Free - Curly Hair Basics Good info on properties.

NaturallyCurly's Frizz Forecast How to search for dew points in your area.
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fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: no guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, gelatin gel

Recent findings: my hair likes Cure Care diluted with water as a cowash; does NOT like guar h.c.!

iherb discount code: CFN646
Yeah I didn't know all this stuff!! good thing I'm asking. Best I can say for now is fine, thin hairs that make spirally curls? 3A i think. And I live in the south so it's always humid. Only one in the fam without dark straight hair!
I use Burt's bees raspberry shampoo and then redkin butter treat conditioner
Originally Posted by ManeMaid
The BB raspberry should be fine. Is it this the redken butter treat that you're using? http://www.redken.com/products/hairc...n-butter-treat It says it's discontinued. I'm having trouble finding the ingredients so can you post them? Also can you post or link the ingredients to the shea butter curl cream you're using?

I second using jelly type products... home-made FSG, SS CEJ, JC Rocking Ringlets... they should help give your hair shape without really weighing it down. The tricky thing with these products is they don't provide the best frizz control in very high dews, but it may be enough to use alone, otherwise you may have to seal underneath with a light LI that contains anti-humectants or use just a few drops of a lighter oil like apricot or grapeseed to seal underneath before adding the jelly product. You'll have to play around here with amount. If you're low-porosity this can also be tricky... if you're high porosity, your hair can handle oils much better... see this is why it's good to know your properties!

There's a good chance that your products are way too buttery... with the shea butter leave-in plus the "butter" rinse-out, you may have to back off one or both. If your hair is fine you'll need protein, which can spring your curls back up.

Mag sulfate is a curl enhancer but can be drying. I don't know about the Curl Keeper, I've always wanted to try it but stayed away as it has glycerin and I don't think that would react too well to high dews.
fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: no guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, gelatin gel

Recent findings: my hair likes Cure Care diluted with water as a cowash; does NOT like guar h.c.!

iherb discount code: CFN646
I love SS CEJ. a lot.
You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
Yeah I didn't know all this stuff!! good thing I'm asking. Best I can say for now is fine, thin hairs that make spirally curls? 3A i think. And I live in the south so it's always humid. Only one in the fam without dark straight hair!
Originally Posted by ManeMaid
Okie... we're typing at the same time! If your hair is fine you should start doing protein treatments, even weekly in the humid summer. It will help spring your curls and help against frizzies too. You should also look for a rinse-out rich in protein, and you can benefit from protein in your leave-in as well.

This is a popular and cheap protein treatment (provided you're not vegan or vegetarian) Pedaheh's Hair Blog: Science-y Hair Blog Recipes. As far as purchasable PTs I really like Spiral Solutions Protein Repair Treatment.

Colorful Neutral Protein Filler from Sally's is also a great product to have on hand; you can add it to other products.
fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: no guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, gelatin gel

Recent findings: my hair likes Cure Care diluted with water as a cowash; does NOT like guar h.c.!

iherb discount code: CFN646
Shea butter weighs my fine hair down, it's notorious for doing that to us fine haired ladies.

I second PT, I also like the gelatin treatment mentioned. It can be a bit strong though, so you can always get Ion effective care at Sally's to try first to make sure your not protein sensitive. I would also make sure to follow up with a good DT. One recommended DT I also use is GVP CB (also from Sally's), but be sure to mix with something that can penetrate & moisturize the hair, like a tad bit of coconut oil & honey. You may need to follow that with a cleaning conditioner like one of the Suave Naturals or VO5 to get the Coconut oil out.

As far as products, I really like the Yes 2 line. Right now I Lowpoo with Yes to Cukes and Rinse out with YEs 2 Carrots conditioner. I only low poo, not co wash, cowashing commonly weighs down fine hair as well.

Lastly, I also agree with FSG. Fine hair LOVES FSG. It's really easy to make too. I usually top it with a harder holding gel like Biosilk Rock hard Gelee mixed with Herbal Essence Totally Twisted. If I get a chance when I'm not mobile, I'll link the FSG recipe. Mine changes often.

By the way, love your ringlets!
Fine/Thin hair (low density)
Normal porosity
Normal Elasticity

Techniques: Modified Super Soaker, plopping, pixe diffusing, clipping

Low poo: Acure, Y2Cukes
Co Wash: SNRS, Suave Tropical Coconut
RO: Y2C
Style: FSG (HG!!!!), with HETT & BRHG or Devacurl Ultra light defining Gel
PT: IAGirls Gelatin
DT: GVP CB mixed with Coconut oil, Olive Oil, Agave (or honey).

Favorite Styling tools: Devafuser, Deva clips & Flour Sack Towels
Wow I had NO IDEA they discontinued my redken butter treat!! It was amazing and I even used to scrunch my hair with it. As for the leave-Shea butter cream, it's thankfully still available How can I enhance my curly ringlets?-imageuploadedbycurltalk1374863721.715223.jpg

But for protein treatments, I've had a hairdresser mention that before but I had no idea what they were (I once did a dark beer rinse I was so desperate)
So a protein treatment and experimenting with some jelly products would be best? And also cut down on the Shea butter, I do admit that I use a ton of that when my hair is wet bc I can't sense how much is in there
And thank you guys SO MUCH for your help. I'm getting really excited haha
Wow I had NO IDEA they discontinued my redken butter treat!! It was amazing and I even used to scrunch my hair with it. As for the leave-Shea butter cream, it's thankfully still available Attachment 37556

But for protein treatments, I've had a hairdresser mention that before but I had no idea what they were (I once did a dark beer rinse I was so desperate)
So a protein treatment and experimenting with some jelly products would be best? And also cut down on the Shea butter, I do admit that I use a ton of that when my hair is wet bc I can't sense how much is in there
And thank you guys SO MUCH for your help. I'm getting really excited haha
Originally Posted by ManeMaid
Ohmygosh ManeMaid! You and I are total hair twins! Your curls look a LOT like my own. It's taken awhile, but I've finally discovered how to get consistently good curls! I definitely need lots of protein, and a strong-hold gel.


Are you interested in DIY? The most effective protein treatment for me has been a gelatine protein treatment, and it's SO easy! Here's what I do:

1/4 tsp citric acid OR 1 tsp vinegar in 1/4 cup hot water
Add 1 tsp gelatine and let dissolve
Stir in 2 TBSP coconut oil
Stir in 1/3 cup coconut milk
Stir in 1/4 cup conditioner

Add the following add-ins if you want to:

Avocado (for shine)
Egg yolk
Essential Oils (I love rosemary!)

I apply to wet hair, wrap it in plastic, and then co-wash it out after about an hour.

It's FANTASTIC, and keeps the curls bouncy and reliable!

PM me if you'd like more details on what I do... but my usual routine is in my siggy
3A/2C | fine | high-po length, low-po roots | medium density | shoulder-length

Shower Time!
Treat: EVCO
Co-Wash: DE Unscented Condish with added lavender and tea tree EOs
Condish: DE Coconut Condish with added local honey

Styling
After Shower: Homemade FSG with added gelatine

+ bi-weekly protein DIY treatments (gelatin and egg yolk)
+ mindful nutrition

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