Tricks to improve length retention

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The idea struck me that it would be nice to have a thread with any tips or tricks for length retention. (Not the rate of hair growth since that's really dependent on the individual and if you're eating a balanced diet and exercising, well, what more can you do, right?)

Tip 1# Wearing my hair loose.

I know some people would argue that putting it up or back is better because down your hair rubs against fabric or purse handles and can become snagged or brittle and whatnot. But (outside of exercising) I wear my hair loose 90% of the time because, even though I look nice in updos and it's super hot outside, every time I do an updo the next time I go to shower I lose more hair. It's uncanny. Every single time. I can only surmise that friction and manipulation, even low level, is the cause. So when I do do an updo I try to be as gentle as possible too. I bobby pin curls and clumps back loosely and even though I need the jaws of life to keep my hair up, I'm very delicate in both cinching and removing clips and pins.

Tip #2 Finger detangling

I'm sure most of us already do this anyways but it's made such a difference. I used to lose clumps of hair when I showered. Hair would rain down on me and be all over the shower floor and plug up the drain because I'd be tugging the comb through my hair, root to tips. Now it's so much better. Takes longer but it's worth it. And I also detangle from the bottom up so I'm not pulling or yanking and wet and potentially vulnerable hairs from the root. When I find a knot I add more conditioner and pick it apart with my fingertips. I still use my comb sometimes but only after I've finger detangled and even then I run it through quite slowly, section by section.

Tip #3 Sealing my ends

Such a difference! They used to be so, so dry. Now they're always as soft and silky as the rest of my hair. You could never tell the difference from the texture. The hair there feels as new as the hair at my roots.

Tip #4 Avoiding heat

Goes without saying right? Since going CG and giving up the heat tools, my hair is much stronger overall. Round brushes and flat irons count as tug and pull manipulation as well. And it's definitely not low level.

(Disclaimer: I do use a blowdryer when I'm in a rush, but I hold the cold button down the entire time and the air that comes out is cool, not warm, when I do so.)

If you guys have any other tips or things that have worked for you, please share!
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3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

What do you deal your ends with?
I second Chupie's question! Everything I try to seal with weighs my hair down.
3A/2C | fine | high-po length, low-po roots | medium density | shoulder-length

Shower Time!
Treat: EVCO
Co-Wash: DE Unscented Condish with added lavender and tea tree EOs
Condish: DE Coconut Condish with added local honey

Styling
After Shower: Homemade FSG with added gelatine

+ bi-weekly protein DIY treatments (gelatin and egg yolk)
+ mindful nutrition
Her signature says: "Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil"
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If you have your hair in an updo from one shower to the next, you'll appear to lose more hair because the shed hairs will have remained in the updo instead of falling away throughout the day. Not sure if that was what you meant!

Trims can help with length retention if you have damaged ends, because trimming helps to keep the hair from breaking off. Usually just a very small amount, even as little as 1/4", can do a lot to prevent breakage. Another method is S & D (search and destroy; not sure if that's talked about here), where you look at individual hairs and trim splits with sharp hair scissors. This can actually be really effective once you've done the initial S & D and then keep up with it. Not a whole lot of point on hair that's shorter than about APL-BSL, though.

Camellia oil is amazing. Very light.
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3a/b, fine, normal porosity, high density

Wash: CJ Daily Fix, As I Am, TJs TTT
RO: YTB
LI: Suave TC + CJ CCCC, brushed through with Denman
Styling: Smooth in LAL Wet Look gel, scrunch, and plop 10 minutes, then add a little more gel, cover with silk cap, and sleep on it
Refresh: 3:1 water/Suave mix as needed
Her signature says: "Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil"
Originally Posted by sheilacurl
Thank you! The phone app does't let me see signatures
3A/2C | fine | high-po length, low-po roots | medium density | shoulder-length

Shower Time!
Treat: EVCO
Co-Wash: DE Unscented Condish with added lavender and tea tree EOs
Condish: DE Coconut Condish with added local honey

Styling
After Shower: Homemade FSG with added gelatine

+ bi-weekly protein DIY treatments (gelatin and egg yolk)
+ mindful nutrition
Yes, jojoba and grapeseed,but I've also been experimenting with coconut oil mixed with them in the hot summer months at Jas' suggestion. I know coconut oil isn't a great sealer but it does keep things supple and shiny. (Just a drop or two though.)
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

If you have your hair in an updo from one shower to the next, you'll appear to lose more hair because the shed hairs will have remained in the updo instead of falling away throughout the day. Not sure if that was what you meant!
Originally Posted by CurlyInTheFog
I'd hoped that might be the case, but then I have my doubts. . . mainly because my hair doesn't shed or slip out so easily since I wear it curly. (I don't have to vacuum quite so often.) Also I have doubts because I'll typically only have my hair up for a few hours. Say I'll wear it loose throughout the day then put it up for a night out (as is my wont) or I'll wear it up on a hot day and then let it down when I get home. Usually it's not up for more than five to eight hours at a time. And then when I go to wash it the next morning my hairball is bigger. (Yes, I monitor my hairballs.) It could also be my love of goodie spin pins and french twists. Twisting the hair up does tug at the back of my scalp. So does a high pony, which I LOVE, but requires much assistance to keep tight. then again, when I explaining this to a friend with straight hair she told me that if the hairs were due to slip out then they'd slip out. Didn't matter if it was from the tug of a twist or a gust of wind. So she's probably right. You, too. Just sharing my err, hairball observations. Y'all are probably sick of those by now.

About the trim--it's so true. I got my hair shaped in February and my stylist cut out chunks of less than healthy hair and my hair has been really strong ever since. That and sealing has really added to the strength of hair overall. No breakage whatsoever.

I guess I'm going to have to look into camellia oil now. Okay, just googled it. Here are some links for curious cats like myself:

Description of camellia oil

Aubrey Organics, White Camellia Oil, Soothing Emollient, 0.36 fl oz (11 ml) - iHerb.com

Have you ever tried it on your scalp, curlyinthefog? If it's good for things like rosacea and dry skin I wonder if dry scalpers know about this stuff. . .
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

I agree with you except on tip 1 it's way too hot for that right now lol
I use Oshima Tsubaki camellia oil. You want Camellia japonica, not Camellia chinensis--japonica is more expensive, but better quality. It's the only oil that always works for me. Argan is pretty good, too, but not as nice as camellia. I've never tried it on my scalp. I'm kind of a flop at any kind of scalp oiling. Not sure if my hair is too dense or what, but I just can't seem to distribute it very well.

I don't think I shed more when I wore updos, but I was always really careful doing them because I was worried about traction alopecia. I wore buns nearly all the time for about four years. Pretty much always the same size hairballs.
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Wash: CJ Daily Fix, As I Am, TJs TTT
RO: YTB
LI: Suave TC + CJ CCCC, brushed through with Denman
Styling: Smooth in LAL Wet Look gel, scrunch, and plop 10 minutes, then add a little more gel, cover with silk cap, and sleep on it
Refresh: 3:1 water/Suave mix as needed
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2 and 3 aren't for me. I lose more hair finger detangling and my hair doesn't like sealing...which isn't to say I don't have sealing happening with the oils in my conditioners. I just can't handle a second step of oil and I've tried the light ones. My ends aren't dry though. Going CG and cutting out heavy oils and butters put a stop to that.

My hair does like less manipulation, which is why I don't wear protective or non wash and go styles.

The heat goes without saying.

My tip - Using a product with hold
If you're experiencing single strand knots like I was, using a gel can prevent them. Therefore preventing tangling and breakage.
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Last edited by Jessiebanana; 07-27-2013 at 09:32 PM.
Thought I should clarify--my tips and tricks are merely my personal observations and what I've noticed with my own hair. I'm anxious to hear what's worked for other people too which is why I started the thread. You can take a tip from somebody else, try it out yourself, and if it helps it helps. If it doesn't then try something else. Personal experience is the best yardstick by which I measure success. When it comes to hair, our textures and properties are all so different that hell, nothing's universal.

And for the record I'm wearing my hair up tonight to go to the movies because it's a warm night, this is second day hair, and I just plain felt like it. I'm not going to let a slightly bigger hairball scare me off from wearing my hair up on occasion. Especially considering that before CG my hairballs used to be 10x the size they are now, and hey, I was still okay density wise. (If anything my hair was even bigger back then since it was a frizz ball.)

I really don't mean to scare or discourage anybody from doing anything. Even heat styling. I styled my hair regularly with heat for years and it still managed to reach long lengths. And I adore my widetooth comb. I'd never give her up, much as I like finger detangling. I definitely don't subscribe to the philosophy that you should ONLY finger detangle, like the CG book says. I'm just saying that for me, I seem to lose less hair when I FD regularly. I also feel like I'm, I don't know, closer to my hair in a way when I finger detangle. . . I really get the feel of it and what it needs. More tangles means more coconut oil and maybe a marshmallow root detangling session next time. Less means I'm doing okay.

Sidenote--very interesting about the gel, Jessiebanana. I've seen more single strand knots lately. It's just I really don't like gel because the chemicals in them seem to dry out my hair and give me major crunch.
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

So... I have the dumbest question ever.

How do you seal the ends?

I get the idea -- seal the tips with oil to help them retain moisture. However, I think I'm doing it totally wrong, because the oil travels up my hair and then everything is greasy and oily. So I have some questions:

1) How high up the hair shaft do you seal?
2) What is your technique for actually getting the oil into the hair?
3) Any tips for sealing in layers?
4) At what point in your hair care routine do you seal? Before it's dry? As you SOTC? Right after your styling products?

I've been trying to seal right after applying my styling products, but I find that this creates more frizz. Also, I struggle to apply the sealing oil to all of my hair, because the layers hide while my hair is wet.

Argh! Sorry to hijack this AWESOME thread... but maybe this will be helpful to someone else?
3A/2C | fine | high-po length, low-po roots | medium density | shoulder-length

Shower Time!
Treat: EVCO
Co-Wash: DE Unscented Condish with added lavender and tea tree EOs
Condish: DE Coconut Condish with added local honey

Styling
After Shower: Homemade FSG with added gelatine

+ bi-weekly protein DIY treatments (gelatin and egg yolk)
+ mindful nutrition
Thank you curlytwirlykate! My questions exactly. I suck at sealing.
2C normal/high porosity?, medium/coarse texture, lower density
Cleanse: Pura D'Or every week or two, Yes to Cukes
Conditioner: VO5 Kiwi Lime (LOVE!), Tresemme Naturals, YTC
DT: GVP Conditioning Balm w/ coconut oil
LI: a touch of JCTS
Products: my HG is Tresemme Bouncy Curls Defining Gel mixed with a touch of BRHG over a little flax seed gel, SM Souflee/Milk for 2nd day hair, occasionally Bioterra Curling Creme and Gel
Modified CG since November 2012- finally found what works!
dusalocks, no need for clarification. I think we all know hair is very much YMMV! It always interests me to see how one product/method is HG for one person and hair death to another, lol. I mean, yes, variations are due to texture, porosity, dews, and all that, but sometimes things work or don't for no real rhyme or reason. I think subtle water differences may have something to do with it--or at least I always blame it on my crappy water.

Theoretically, you seal damp/wet hair after leave in and before styling products. Personally, I don't seal because whenever I put oil on wet hair it gets stringy. I use oil more as a serum to give a bit of shine and frizz control. Usually the trick with oil is to use less than you think you need. You can always add more. Start with a drop or two if your hair is thick and about shoulder length, no more than a drop if it's fine. Put them in your palm and rub your hands together so the oil is distributed on both hands. Then, starting a few inches from the bottom, press your palms together and slide over the ends. Then move up the hair until there's no more shine on your palms. That's the general technique. I really just kind of smooth my hands over and under my hair, but that's mostly because I just kinda suck at the sliding palms bit. I don't think it's necessary to seal if your hair doesn't lose moisture easily and you use a leave in.
3a/b, fine, normal porosity, high density

Wash: CJ Daily Fix, As I Am, TJs TTT
RO: YTB
LI: Suave TC + CJ CCCC, brushed through with Denman
Styling: Smooth in LAL Wet Look gel, scrunch, and plop 10 minutes, then add a little more gel, cover with silk cap, and sleep on it
Refresh: 3:1 water/Suave mix as needed

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