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rbouwens 07-29-2013 02:32 PM

Hair One vs. DevaCurl, cones, and ACV
 
Hey all! I have been doing no-poo for about 7 months with Hair One. I am pretty happy with this product, but it has amodimethicone in it (fairly high on the list.) I have read mixed things about amodimethicone, especially with it not being water-soluable unless it has a certain ingredient with it.

I have heard good things about DevaCurl no-poo - is that a higher-quality product than Hair One? I am on a college budget.

With the buildup, is apple cider vinegar good for getting rid of it? I did a rinse of it this morning and my hair feels nice.

rbouwens 07-29-2013 03:07 PM

Trying to post my stats....

kathymack 07-29-2013 03:31 PM

Deva NoPoo has polyquat (I think 7.) It gives me issues--have to use sulfate to remove it. If you're going to spend that kind of money, I'd buy CJ Daily Fix or something else.

Morgan_Adcock 07-29-2013 11:35 PM

The information you have about amodimethicone's being water-soluable when it has a certain ingredient with it has been proven only to be true when they are in solution. Once it's on your hair, that other ingredient has no effect on it. ACV will have no effect on it. A low-poo should do the trick. L'Oreal Evercreme Cleansing Conditioner would be one that's reasonably priced, and easy to find.

Quite honestly, I just use VO5 Herbal Escapes Kiwi-Lime Squeeze Conditioner as my go to co-wash. It seems to do as good a job as any of the others, and it's incredibly cheap (I think I paid $1.39 at Wally's World for a family sized bottle I've barely put a dent in over the course of three months), not to mention that it's easy to find. Since I switched to that (from Suave Naturals, with occasional low-pooing), I've very rarely felt the need for anything stronger, and usually go months between low-poos.

InkandConverse 07-29-2013 11:39 PM

So, off subject, but I'm from Louisiana and I noticed that my local Target now carries Deva products.

rbouwens 07-30-2013 07:22 AM

^^ Hm. I was hoping that some concoction at home could get amodethicone out.

curry curls 07-30-2013 07:59 AM

If you are using the One 'n Only stuff to style, I believe the curl cream has dimethicone. You'll have to find a way to remove it also.

rbouwens 07-30-2013 09:04 AM

^ Yes, the One 'n Only curl cream does have dimethicone. I have been using it since winter and I stopped yesterday :0 I will use their mousse, which has a water-soluable PEG cone in it.

I'd rather use a natural product to remove it than a drugstore shampoo.....baking soda and ACV will not remove it? Will lemon juice remove it?

rbouwens 07-30-2013 09:16 AM

Also, I do most of my shopping at Sally's - what CG-friendly products do they have?

There is also an Ulta near where I live, but Mom says that's more pricey.

curry curls 07-30-2013 10:42 AM

I'm not sure about natural things to remove the cones. As for products, Sally's has GVP conditioning balm, which I really like. I use it as a rinse out. Ulta has the Kenra moisturizing conditioner, which I love and use as a leave in. It's a little pricey though. If you are near a Trader Joe's, they have two awesome conditioners...Tea Tree Tingle and the Nourish Spa. They make great co washes. Hope that helps.

Geek_Chic 07-30-2013 11:51 AM

Lemon juice won't remove silicones either. I've heard it said that baking soda will remove them, but no documented evidence that proves it definitively. Also, it may be natural, but it's more harsh than just using a shampoo. You would likely be better off to use a silicone free low poo (sulfate free shampoo) that contains Cocamidopropyl Betaine or Coco Betaine, or you can also use a sulfate shampoo to remove them.

Sally's has a good amount of CG friendly products. Just be sure to choose ones that are appropriate for your hair properties. Off the top of my head, these are all CG friendly: EcoStyler gels, Cure Care conditioner, the As I Am line, the CURLS line, GVP Conditioning Balm, and Volumax gels. They have a lot of other CG products too. There have been a few Sally's threads before, so try an advanced forum search to find more suggestions.

Ulta will be pricier, but they also carry some higher end lines like Devacurl and Carol's Daughter. I'd check online also, since you can often find discounts or free shipping deals. Aveyou.com, iherb.com, and Curlmart are all possible options.

Really the best thing you can do is be knowledgable about ingredients. Know how to recognize a sulfate or a silicone, and know how the various silicones work because they aren't all created equal. Beyond just water soluble (CG friendly) or not, there are some silicones that resist buildup and others that evaporate off the hair during the drying process. Also, read the ingredients list of a product you're interested in buying. Sometimes even veteran CGers will be surprised by a sudden ingredient change that they only noticed when a much loved product suddenly gunks up their hair.

selfcurledgirl 07-30-2013 06:05 PM

Hair one
 
My hair looks great and I use hair one. I don't pay so much attention to cones and such. If my hair looks good, I use it. I don't use shampoo, but hair one is an imitation of wen which is very good. I also like ouidad deep treatment It's expensive but it is very softening.

Jessiebanana 07-30-2013 09:27 PM

What is your reasoning behind using natural products? If it's to be gentle, then baking soda and lemon juice are counterproductive...even if they were capable of removing -cones.

rbouwens 07-31-2013 08:18 AM

I just don't want another product on my shelf, I guess. If there's something in the pantry that would would work just as well, great!

chloe92us 07-31-2013 09:27 AM

I 2nd Curl Junkie Daily Fix. It's a cleansing condish with coco betaine so it will remove cones. Also has EDTA which helps with hard water mineral build up. It is GREAT STUFF, but has to be ordered online.

Firefox7275 08-01-2013 02:32 PM

Amodimethicome is supposed to resist build up.
Amodimethicone and other Amine-functionalized Silicones

Build up of any product is best removed by either sulphates or cocoamidopropyl betaine, acids are unlikely to do it they just help the cuticle lay flat. Baking soda probably will but is alkaline so damaging to both skin and hair. You can use shower gel if you don't have a sulphate shampoo.

rbouwens 08-02-2013 09:03 AM

Any drugstore products/Sally products that have cocoamidopropyl betaine?

Geek_Chic 08-02-2013 12:24 PM

For drugstore options, there's Giovanni, Yes To Cucumbers, Renpure Organics Luxurious Argan Oil, and Renpure Organics Brazilian Keratin Straightening, to name a few. Sally's has the CURLS and As I Am lines, and if I recall, both have shampoos with cocamidopropyl betaine.

rbouwens 08-03-2013 12:22 PM

ok thanks I'll have to check into those

rbouwens 08-04-2013 11:00 AM

I went to Ulta yesterday and smelled the DevaCurl no-poo and low-poos. I liked the smell of the low-poo, but the smell of the no-poo was awful. They're above my price range anyway. I guess I'll have to deal with the A-cone.


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