Hair help!

I really would like to start being able to wear my hair curly. I can straighten it all I want, but by the time I leave the house it is frizzy and starting to curl again because of the humidity! I would like to be able to stop wasting my time doing that. Right now, it hits right at my shoulders when curly so it's kinda pyramid shaped and its way too poofy to do anything with. I use a sulfate free shampoo, but I tried cowashing awhile back and I feel like it made my very thick hair start thinning pretty bad! Since you guys all have such lovely curls, do y'all have any idea on what products I should be using? Is there anything to help with this hair or am I stuck straightening it until it grows out? Also I would like to know what hair type this mess is lol. Thanks guys!


It's so hard for me to post a picture and let people see my hair like this, but I guess I have to suck it up if I want help!

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To help out with the triangle shape you're concerned about, I would look into getting a DevaCut to get some layers in there. You may have to sacrifice a bit of length now, but those layers will look better now and as your hair continues to grow out! What were you using for co-washing? and do you know your hair properties? those will help for others to give you product recommendations. You look pretty 2ish to me, which is what my hair was like when I first started. I started out with cheaper products, then moved up to more expensive ones as needed. If you want to try co-washing again, I like the Alberto V05 conditioners (the Strawberries&Cream Moisture Milk smells divine). Dunno what Sulfate-free shampoo you use, but I really like Giovanni's Tea Tree one- it's nice and tingly! TJ makes a similar one, not as tingly, but only like $3 for a bottle! Yay Trader Joes
For a rinse out, I like L'Oreal EverSleek, it's not too heavy so it won't weigh down your looser curl pattern, though it is a bit expensive. You could also try Tresseme Naturals Nourishing Moisture. I didn't use a leave-in at first, then tried Kinky Curly Knot Today... didn't think it was worth the money, though, so now i just don't fully rinse out my regular conditioner. For times when you need a lot of protein or a lot of moisture, Sally Beauty is your best friend. Their Generic Value Products Joico K-Pak Conditioner is great for protein treatments, while GVP Matrix Biolage Conditioning Balm is a great deep treatment. Both are super cheap! There are also recipes on this site to make your own treatments, but those two purchased products were great for me this past year while I was living in a dorm and couldn't just walk down the hall to the kitchen to mix up some avocado and mayonnaise without getting some interesting looks lol. For stylers, LA Looks Sport Gel is a great, cheap gel you can get at the drugstore and it comes with a TON in each bottle. I like it because I need a lot of hold to combat frizz, but LA Looks does make other gels with lighter holds if you don't want that much crunch. From there, you can add/swap other stylers and such as needed, but that should give you some good ideas to start with! Hope that helps, lemme know if you have other questions

3Aish; mid-back when curly, waist length when straight
Shampoo - Shea Moisture
Co-wash - Alberto V05
RO/LI - TNNM, L'Oreal EverSleek
Styler: Left em all at school :"(
Gel: GF Pure Clean, LALSG

I don't remember what exactly I was using. I just know it was something cheap that I picked up at walmart or somewhere that people always recommended on here. I've tried that kinky curly stuff and I really didn't find that it does anything at all lol. Do you think a deva cut would actually be useful right now? The closest place is a 3 hour drive so I wasn't sure if I should do that now or wait until it grew some more. As far as properties go, Im not exactly sure. It's very thick and course. And it's always been pretty dry. Even when i was younger and I did nothing to it. It curled more then, but was still very dry.
I actually think it may have been the vo5 moisture milk that I was using for cowashing
I would recommend starting simply--I picked up Suave Naturals Tropical Coconut for a Cowash and Tresseme Naturals for a rinse out. Then I used LA Looks Sport gel for my gel--and that was it in the beginning!

Just try it out--give yourself one last sulphate wash and immediately follow that with your 1st Cowash and your rinse out. Detangle and then only rinse about 1/2 of the conditioner out (I stick my head upside down in the shower). While you're still in the shower with your head upside down and dripping wet, scrunch in LOTS of gel. Then use a t shirt to scrunch out extra water or plop (I plop) for 5-10 min. Then let it dry (don't touch!!) and scrunch out the crunch once it's dry.

That should give you a great start and help you see a better curl pattern. Come back and show us an after picture and we could probably help more, too!!

Last edited by crofterica; 08-06-2013 at 03:09 PM.
What exactly do you mean by scrunching out the crunch? I hate the feel of crunchy hair so I definitely don't it crunchy. But how do you use gel without making it crunchy?
What exactly do you mean by scrunching out the crunch? I hate the feel of crunchy hair so I definitely don't it crunchy. But how do you use gel without making it crunchy?
Originally Posted by Manda92
None of us like the crunchy feeling--lol!! Gel is so important for hold though. The crunch is actually called a "gel cast" and it holds the curl in place while protecting it from humidity and frizz while it's wet. As soon as your hair is dry (and you can diffuse to speed it up, if you want), you flip your head back upside down and scrunch all the crunch out. That should reveal beautiful, soft curls.

It really is amazing!!
http://youtu.be/M16WG9jpU-Y

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M16WG9jpU-Y&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DM16WG9jpU-Y

Last edited by crofterica; 08-06-2013 at 03:07 PM.
if you use gel, there's a chance it will dry crunchy. once dry, you can get rid of the crunch while retaining the definition by scrunching it up, possibly with some water and conditioner on your hands! I don't know that you need the haircut now, it was just a suggestion if the shape was really bothering you. Since you mentioned your hair being very dry, i think you should moisturize it as much as possible before spending a ton of money trying different products. Pick up that GVP Conditioning Balm or another really heavy conditioner (i also like Yes To Carrots). Pick a day, maybe a weekend, when you've got nothing to do and wash and wet your hair as normal, then slather on a ton of that moisturizing conditioner. Don't rinse any of it out, just braid or bun your hair and let dry. Rinse out the next day and then do your normal routine. After a few times doing this you should notice it a lot more moisturized! If you don't have a whole day, maybe do this in the evening after work/school/etc., then rinse out the following morning.

3Aish; mid-back when curly, waist length when straight
Shampoo - Shea Moisture
Co-wash - Alberto V05
RO/LI - TNNM, L'Oreal EverSleek
Styler: Left em all at school :"(
Gel: GF Pure Clean, LALSG

I'll go get some of the gvp. I've been using this really expensive deep conditioner from sephora, but I'm sure it's got silicones and stuff in it.

But I just meant do you think that I have enough hair for them to work with and it actually end up looking halfway decent if I decide to get a devacut.

I just washed by hair with the pureology conditioner that I normally use. I just skipped the shampoo for today until I can get to store and get something else to try. But I put a lot more gel in it then I normally do and Im going to try to "scrunch out the crunch." I think not using gel is probably one of my main problems since I'm always scared its going to end up crunchy looking.
Oh and also, how do I know if I should do a protein treatment? I've never really used stuff with a lot of protein because at one point in time a hairdresser had recommended the Kpak products to me and my hair started breaking off bad :/
But if I'm going to be using a lot of moisturizing products, should I be using stuff with protein as well?
A general rule is that I you have fine/medium hair, or high porosity hair, you would probably be okay with protein. I think it's best to start out gently and see what works..
I'd try moisturizing and if your hair starts acting over conditioned (limp, weaker curls) consider doing the gelatin protein treatment and see if that helps. I wouldn't necessarily start with one, but it's up to you. I'm relatively new at this myself!
I also found this blog post super helpful when I first took the jump into the CG method:

http://dormroomcurly.blogspot.com/20...table.html?m=1
Honestly, you have great hair. It actually looks pretty similar to mine pre-CG, except maybe not as fine. It just needs some definition and moisture/conditioning. If you use a low poo (non-sulfate), use as little as you can get away with. Try diluting it--since you have a lot of hair, diluting will help you to distribute the shampoo without having to use a lot of it (this is what I do, either with shampoo or conditioner washing). I'd use a leave in as well; it will help to keep moisture in, provide definition, and help to weigh your hair down so you don't get the poof.

About crunch: it only lasts until you scrunch it out. I look for a lot of crunch out of a gel, because it's windy here and I need a pretty hard hold to minimize frizz. Then when my hair is dry, I just squeeze it all over and the crunch comes right out. The amount of gel to use takes some experimentation. For your hair, I'd start with dividing your hair in half and using about a teaspoon of gel for each side. Then adjust up or down as needed. It also takes a certain amount of technique, so don't give up if it doesn't look great right off the bat. Just try to learn something each time, and you'll figure it out. This video might help you with the basics: How To: Deva Curl 3 Step - YouTube
3a/b, fine, normal porosity, high density

Wash: CJ Daily Fix, As I Am, TJs TTT
RO: YTB
LI: Suave TC + CJ CCCC, brushed through with Denman
Styling: Smooth in LAL Wet Look gel, scrunch, and plop 10 minutes, then add a little more gel, cover with silk cap, and sleep on it
Refresh: 3:1 water/Suave mix as needed
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Originally Posted by Manda92
Omg. I'd be so happy with that hair!!
I don't remember what exactly I was using. I just know it was something cheap that I picked up at walmart or somewhere that people always recommended on here. I've tried that kinky curly stuff and I really didn't find that it does anything at all lol. Do you think a deva cut would actually be useful right now? The closest place is a 3 hour drive so I wasn't sure if I should do that now or wait until it grew some more. As far as properties go, Im not exactly sure. It's very thick and course. And it's always been pretty dry. Even when i was younger and I did nothing to it. It curled more then, but was still very dry.
Originally Posted by Manda92
I'd do it. D
Thanks guys! Do y'all recommend an certain gels or leave-ins? And how much gel exactly should I be using?
Never mind I just saw the answer to how much. But what's a good brand?
I use LA Looks Sport Gel...it's blue.

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