Rant: Clueless stylists

I recently had a trim, and although I didn't do my research beforehand, I was amazed at how clueless some stylists can be about curly hair! After my cut, she put some gel on my 85% dry hair and proceeded to diffuse and scrunch my hair to within an inch of it's life! She was also fingercombing my hair to get it to part a certain way. I don't know about any one else, but my hair has to be dripping wet when I put product in, and I always airdry when I can. If I have to diffuse, I don't touch my hair AT ALL! Scrunching is a prefect recipe for frizz and undefined curls. When I left the salon I looked absolutely ridiculous and needless to say went right home and washed my hair to start anew! I just thought it's funny how people don't "get" curly hair. Ugh....
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I think we've all been there at one point, some all the time! In the past, none of my stylists has actually styled my hair nicely. I always do it myself. No, they just don't get it.

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I hear you! A few weeks ago I went to my usual guy for a trim. He does great cuts and amazing blow outs, but he CANNOT style my hair curly. At all. I though he was going to do the usual blow out after my cut, but he said, "I'm going to make you curly today."

Oh God. No you're not, I thought to myself. Sure enough, he made a big, frizzy, puffy mess of my hair. He kept piling one product on top of another, giving me tips on how to do my hair curly as he went along. As if!? I mean, when I walk in, he sees me walk in with my curls - not a frizzy, fried-looking mess, but curls, and he compliments me on them. Doesn't he think I KNOW how to get my curls to behave? I felt like asking, "Can I show you how it's done? Please?!"

For my next appointment, he made sure to mark in his book to do a blow out. I think he knows he screwed up. Especially since when my husband, who was patiently waiting for me, laughed when he saw "it."

Note to all stylits: please learn how to treat curly hair!!!
I always leave the hairdressers with dripping wet hair, don't even think about letting her style it. I think she's actually quite relieved!
In defense of stylists (and no, I am not one), they have been combing and tugging and airdrying your hair for about 20 minutes (or however long it takes for them to cut it) so they are not starting with the same foundation as we are when we hop out of the shower. Also, look at how long any of us must experiment before we figure out the right products, amount, application method, etc. Look at the varying routines people post on this board - Some people can only diffuse dry, some can only air dry, some can't touch their curls, some can. I certainly don't expect my stylist to get it right after a couple of visits, especially if I don't tell her in the first place what my hair does or doesn't like. She might do the exact same thing on the next curly head that walks in the door and her hair responds well to it.

I have never been able to walk out of a salon with my hair styled beautifully. What is more important to me is that the cut is done right so I can forgive that I don't walk out with bouncy, shiny, soft ringlets as long as I can create them later with my own routine at home.
For me, I think a good stylist should leave you walking out feeling beautiful or else what's the point of going to the salon?

I have had some HORRIBLE haircuts where I wanted to leave with a paperbag over my head, but I have also had amazing haircuts where I have left feeling beautiful.

It's a stylist's job to make you feel and look good. If they can't do that, then I would continue to look for someone who can.
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For me, I think a good stylist should leave you walking out feeling beautiful or else what's the point of going to the salon?
Originally Posted by CurlyQTPie
I think the point is to get a good cut that will give you consistently good hair days. While it's nice to leave the salon looking great, I think the everyday results are more important.
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I DREAD getting my hair cut at a salon because I know it will look horrible unless I pay extra to have them flat iron it straight. The only time I have had a good curly look when walking out was when I went to a Ouidad stylist, though a few weeks after the Ouidad cut the novelty had worn off and my curls just looked sort of shorn and uneven.

A big "ugh" to most stylists out there! Please just let me style my hair myself next time.
I live in West Virgina and we still have figured out the 80s are over. The last hair cut I had was a cross between a mullet and some generic 80s hair metal. It was so horrible, I would love to get a haircut but were stuck in a time warp here and the first thing anyone wants to do to my hair is layer it while its wet. I guess I have to wait until I leave the state to get a decent hair cut.
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I am actually thinking of going back to my "drive 5 hours to Atlanta to get my haircut" routine for just this reason. My current stylist, who is beautiful and a GREAT stylist for straight hair has no clue about curls. And she has curly hair herself. Strangely, my hair can go both ways with her cut, but I'm worried she may have thinned it out too much. This may be more of the "grass is greener" thing. I had a very good stylist in Atlanta who could do both straight and curly, but she had issues about letting my hair grow out, which my current stylist has no problem with. Maybe I really can't win...
Unless I'm wearing a really short style, I dislike getting my hair cut at a salon. My hair is so thick and coarse that the stylist will attack it with her thinning shears. I like my full mop, leave it alone!
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For me, I think a good stylist should leave you walking out feeling beautiful or else what's the point of going to the salon?
Originally Posted by CurlyQTPie
I think the point is to get a good cut that will give you consistently good hair days. While it's nice to leave the salon looking great, I think the everyday results are more important.
Originally Posted by Bailey422
I didn't mean to imply that one shouldn't have a cut that will give consistently good hair days, but I do think that you should leave the salon feeling beautiful. Leaving the salon feeling good does not mean you'll have a cut that won't leave you with tons of good hair days.

I've never had a cut that I loved that I didn't have other good hair days with. I have, however, have cuts that were terrible when I left the salon and only got worse from there.

I don't think that any of us should settle for anything less than the best and getting as close as is possible to what we want and what we expect from a stylist. It is possible to leave feeling good and have hair that remains good.
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I've never had a cut that I loved that I didn't have other good hair days with. I have, however, have cuts that were terrible when I left the salon and only got worse from there.
Originally Posted by CurlyQTPie
There is a difference between having hair cut well when you leave the salon and having it styled well. If your hair isn't cut well when you leave, you probably aren't going to get it to style well either. However, if the cut is good, you should be able to create great style at home using your mastered routine, even if the stylist can't get it to curl just how you want it when you leave the salon. I think having a stylist who can cut your hair well is far more important that whether she/he can style it well after the "trauma" they have put your curls through during the cutting process. That being said, I have refused to return to people who create obvious errors in trying to style curly hair. I once had a lady dry it without a diffuser, just scrunching with her hands, then when she couldn't get it to curl (duh!), she asked if she could use a curling iron on it. Uh . . no!
I'll never forget the day I walked in thinking I was going to get a bob, and then walked out looking like Keri Strug. Now that was a bad experience, and one I couldn't fix the next day.
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I have never had a good salon haircut nor has anyone ever styled my hair well. The haircut I get mad or disappointed about, but I get amused when they try to style my hair. I know beforehand that they don't know any better, but I like to see them try anyway. I think most of the time they are embarassed because they KNOW your hair doesn't look good when they finish and are probably puzzled thinking, "How in the world could doing what I just did create such a frizzy mess?".
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I've never had a cut that I loved that I didn't have other good hair days with. I have, however, have cuts that were terrible when I left the salon and only got worse from there.
Originally Posted by CurlyQTPie
There is a difference between having hair cut well when you leave the salon and having it styled well. If your hair isn't cut well when you leave, you probably aren't going to get it to style well either. However, if the cut is good, you should be able to create great style at home using your mastered routine, even if the stylist can't get it to curl just how you want it when you leave the salon. I think having a stylist who can cut your hair well is far more important that whether she/he can style it well after the "trauma" they have put your curls through during the cutting process. That being said, I have refused to return to people who create obvious errors in trying to style curly hair. I once had a lady dry it without a diffuser, just scrunching with her hands, then when she couldn't get it to curl (duh!), she asked if she could use a curling iron on it. Uh . . no!
Originally Posted by CurlGirl2005
I was only speaking on my personal experience which is that when I have had a good cut I have been able to recreate the look at home. When my hair is curly, there isn't that much "styling" that goes into it.

Anyway, this was just my opinion based on my own personal experience. If everyone else thinks it's not important to leave a salon feeling good then that's their deal.

BTW, how would one know they have a good cut if they leave the salon feeling like their hair looks bad?
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Sometimes I don't know if it is a good cut until I go to style it myself at home. But while at the salon, I make sure that they don't thin it or take a razor to it or do any of the other no-no's that we curlies have become experts in.

If you have a stylist that cuts well and styles well, you are blessed. (Actually, if you don't need to do much styling to your hair, you are really blessed and you should be picky about your stylist if you have hair that easily styles.) I'm one that needs soaking wet hair, the right products applied just right and a diffuser.
I never know if it's a good cut or not until I do it myself. I've had times when I look great coming out of the salon, but I can't recreate the look myself. So I would say that's not a good cut even though the stylist made it look good. I think with curly hair especially, the cut needs to be user-friendly. I would love to find someone that can style my curls as well as cut them, but I really don't feel like trying every stylist in town. I've found someone that understands curly hair and does a wonderful job cutting it. She can't style my hair to save her life, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. I can look like an 80's pop star leaving the salon, as long as I look good the rest of the time.
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The guy I used to go to for years gave me a good cut, but styling was pretty lame. Sometimes he would put a lot of mousse in it and sit me under the heat lamps, and that wasn't too bad. Then he moved to a salon with no lamps, and so he would diffuse. Badddd....The predictable puffball.

The stylist I go to now is a miracle-worker with a diffuser and she gets my hair much curlier than I can. She's just great! And she gets a big tip thanks to her ability.
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