View Poll Results: Are you CG?
Never tried 4 5.41%
Yes and I love it 31 41.89%
Yes and I'm doubting it 13 17.57%
I gave up 17 22.97%
Other? Explain 9 12.16%
Voters: 74. You may not vote on this poll

CG: is it really that great?

my hair is VERY prone to overconditioning. On a daily basis, no matter the weather or anything, I have to be careful to not use too much conditioner. I do shampoo with creme or nature everyday, and use a regular sulfate shampoo once every ten days or so. I havn't tried it in a couple years, but CG left my hair a frizzy, overconditioned mess.
I'm glad this works for you - really. However, not everything works for everyone. Being condesceding to others will not change this.
My thoughts too.
Originally Posted by medusahair
CG'ers can get a little, well, evangelical. They seem to truly believe it is the only way, even if your hair looks crappy, that you're supposed to embrace the crapitude because your hair is 'healthier' following that method no matter what. To my mind, & I speak as a longtime CG, then modified-CG'er, that's a load, of errr, crapitude. It reminds me of some of my fellow vegetarians who are convinced everyone would be healthier on a veggie diet. Well, no, I don't think so. And I say that as a veggie of 15 yrs.

CG is just one theory, just one option. And as this poll suggests, I'd say it works for perhaps 1/2 of the curlies who try it. That makes it worth trying. And worth modifying or abandoning without regret if it doesn't work for you.
3B, bra-strap length
laidback, very-modified CGer
HG: GF Sleek 'n Shine Leave-in; Alagio
I'm not voting because I've never tried CG in an area with decent water. My water is horribly hard and mineral-laden and CG just doesn't work for me.

Yesterday I realized that really, my water is to blame for everything! Yes, it is the cause of all that is bad and wrong in this world. Specifically, that my hair won't grow (it grew long till I moved to WI), that my skin looks ravaged and household cleaning is such a chore. I'm pretty sure the water is also making me gain weight and turn gray.

I've tried products supposedly designed for well water/hard water, but didn't notice a difference. Ultimately...whole house filter is what I want.
formerly Castella
(my dogs aren't snarly, my hair is)
its laughable to think that anything makes your hair more healthy as it is already dead. It depends on what you put in your hair that coats the hair as to its appearance. To think that shampoo makes your hair less healthy is a farce. My hair is in great condition, has plenty of curl if I allow it to dry naturally. I wash my hair with shampoo (different brands, even cheap ones) every second day followed by a conditioner (I usually spend more on a good conditioner) . I follow that with a good leave in conditioner mouse and will blowdry it straight or leave it natural depending on my mood. It never changes in condition unless I get ill which I believe has more effect along with diet on your hair than any conditioning or shampooing routine.
3 to 3A, a mess of layers of different lengths, I just want to get it looking good at whatever length.
I voted "other" because I think I am a "modified" CG. I try, for the most part, to stay away from silicone-laden products, but I do occasionally shampoo, usually with a non-sulphate shampoo.

I'm not sure how long I have actually gone without shampooing--I'm guessing maybe 3 months. However, when I do shampoo, I don't see where my hair looks the worse for it. I recall in the CG book that LM talked about how her hair seemed to float above her head (or something like that) after she shampooed, and it would only start to look better about three days later when it was time for her to shampoo again. I don't experience that. Sometimes I think my hair looks better after I shampoo.

Frizz Happens!


my Fotki hair journey/experiment diary PW is brio (and I really need to update it!)

3A hair; coloring with henna/indigo since July 2009; normally follow the CG method. Still searching for my HG products!

*singing* I'm gonna try it, I'm gonna try it...

Heehee! I'll have a better answer soon!!
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I love CG and I love knowing that my hair will always be healthy!
Originally Posted by Blush
You can still have healthy hair and use shampoo - it is just a matter of using the right products.
Originally Posted by three rivers curly
Like what?
3b-3c CG
There are various organic and sulfate free shampoos available. I concentrate more on the health of my scalp and am sure to DT or PT at least once a week.

If you are into organics you may want to check out www.saffronrouge.com. They have a nice selection. ABBA has many "vegan" options as does Jonathan product - although I have never used his stuff.
Better everyone think your a fool, than to open your mouth and prove them right.

Perception is not reality.

http://public.fotki.com/hmiklos
I voted yes & loving it. It's working for me right now... I do use HCC every 8 weeks when I color so, really I guess I'm modified CG. I started CG on a crap shoot because my HG cone filled condish was discontinued & nothing else I tried worked. When/if it doesn't work anymore, I'll try something else. The first place I'll look for ideas is here though!
3a/b mix
pw:curlyqs
Well, since you've dragged me into this...

I lived in 3 different places during the times that I have tried CG. One house had a water softener, one house had hard water, one house had quite normal water. Out of the 3 houses, one was in a high humidity area, two were not.

I didn't just try this for a week or two and then give up. Each time I gave it between 6 months and a year.

I'm glad this works for you - really. However, not everything works for everyone. Being condesceding to others will not change this.
Originally Posted by three rivers curly
Good grief, I didn't drag you into anything, I was just pointing the info in Laurabeth's thread as possibly relevant to your "case". I know very well not everything works for everybody but I also know that a number of people have failed repeatedly because a combination of circumstances and mismatched products creates the problems. Not very long ago BabyWavy decided to try CG one more time because her hair was damaged; she was convinced she'd given it three good tries before but I encouraged her to try again and last time I heard from her she was doing pretty well. Most people want to try CG because they're not doing well using sulfated shampoos but if anyone is happy using them I have no particular interest in convincing them to do CG.

You didn't have to feel compelled to explain anything, that and the fact that you feel I'm being "condescending" tells me a lot. I am by nature a "teacher", I always enjoy sharing my knowledge about practical things with anyone who could benefit from it, just as in the past I've benefited from what I've learned from others. It seems you want to interpret that maybe like I'm trying to show off or something. I have to tell you honestly that I don't care what you think of me because there are lots of other people here who are more than grateful that I've freely given of my time to try to help them not just on the forums but through lengthy and sometimes continued PMs, because as a licensed Cosmetologist I really have no need to be doing this for FREE. So if I "make" you feel uncomfortable perhaps you really need to take a good look inside.
2A/3A, medium length, layered, colored dark/medium ash blonde - "CGer" since April '02.

"Converting the 'curlskeptics' one curly head at a time..." HWHC
If you have to drag the horse to water and shove it's head in it while telling it how much good you're doing for it maybe it's time to let the horse find the water on it's own........... so to speak
2c/3a?
Low porosity, medium texture.
http://public.fotki.com/Medusahair/

If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
Horses, huh? No wonder!
2A/3A, medium length, layered, colored dark/medium ash blonde - "CGer" since April '02.

"Converting the 'curlskeptics' one curly head at a time..." HWHC
halfwavy,i appreciate your info. i voted yes and loving it tho in truth i am modified cg. i use low poo every 6 weeks before my robt craig coloring--i need to get all the CO out of my hair or the color will not take. if i make a mistake and put too much product in or the wrong product i can always get it out w suave naturals. since my normal routine is to swim daily and use oils on it while swimming, i don't bother w DT at all. Carlos at devachan told me he thought my hair had lots of moisture and looked healthy. sometimes w jessicurl or the curls souffle it looks a bit greasy but the next CO wash will get rid of that. I just put up some new pics of my experiments with garnier fructis soft curl cream--had a great hair day after plopping overnight with this stuff. it seems like i can use lots of this product line-the dry and damaged fortifying co, sleeknshine leavein- and it does not grease my hair-same with the deva, elucence and giovanni. anyway, we all have different hair needs and it is fun to experiment with different products and techniques. was it Mao who said "let a thousand flowers bloom" ?
Susan suburban NY
3b going gray, not thick, waist length when wet, a bit below shoulders when dry
CG since 11/11/04
http://public.fotki.com/banjolady/
PW: banjo
HG: suave and honey for co-wash, deva, i use garnier fructis regular CO's or boots pink or white as leave ins and LA looks sport gel. plop w microfiber turban, then curl towel scrunch, then another turban.i sleep with the turban on. little one minute hair styling videos http://www.youtube.com/user/lazycurls
I'm currently a mod-CG'er. I started as full CG a couple years ago. I've been modified CG for the past year. I use a little non sulfate shampoo as needed. Since I'm a wavie, I pretty much still qualify as CG, I guess.
I think it's a wonderful routine and an even better jumping off point. You become more aware of how different ingredients/techniques/etc affect your hair/scalp and then settle into whatever works best for you.
It's not for everyone, but nothing is.
If you have to drag the horse to water and shove it's head in it while telling it how much good you're doing for it maybe it's time to let the horse find the water on it's own........... so to speak
Originally Posted by medusahair
Excellent point.

Halfwavy - you are not the only person who can do research. I ain't no dummy my own self neither!
Better everyone think your a fool, than to open your mouth and prove them right.

Perception is not reality.

http://public.fotki.com/hmiklos
Celtic Curls - I love that word "crapitude"
I'm going to find a way to use that today.
"What's the good of having naturally curly hair if nobody's jealous?" Freida - Peanuts

~CG 8/06 ~
fine, wavy - 2b/3a
KCNT and KKCC
C'mon y'all.

This is HWHC style. She means no harm and likes to assist when she can.
2C/3A auburn hair.
between shoulders and BSL
I have tried CG and have harsh water so I think that could be a reason why it didn't work.

My hair has always looked and felt better with sulphates and cones, so that's what I do.
I do love hearing about others CG and CG successfully and am always interested in their methods despite the fact it doesn't work for me.

I have found this forum very informative, and always share new ideas and advice wherever I can, being a hairdresser I know a fair bit about hair, although I don't claim to know everything and am always open to everyones suggestions and advice.

Were all different genetically and our hair reflects that, so surely it's possible that not everything will work for everyone.

And I don't have a problem giving FREE advice either.
3a Redhead
Umberto Giannini & Curls Rock Amp
Fotki pw: curls



I'm CG and my curls thank me for it every day! I went in knowing that this routine doesn't always work for everybody, so I am doubly thankful that I gave this routine a try anyway. I've learned that my hair hates all cones (PEG-, modified, A-cone, water soluble, whatever), and likes Coco Betaine. This I've onlly found out recently. That's the beauty of CG for me - the experimenting is fun, and for me, my curls are better than I could have ever dreamed. My scalp is also functioning normally now, too. I love CG!!!
3B Corkscrew... I'm back on the boards now! Just got The Big Chop on Monday, pics coming soon.
I have to agree with several points made on this thread. First, CG did not, does not, and probably will never work for me. I have an oily scalp, and even using Low Poo every other day leaves it too greasy. (Yes---I've tried going without ANY poo for months, and my hair looks and feels horrible). I have also tried CG in hard water, soft water and everything in between, and it still doesn't work for me.

I think what I find frustrating is the evangelization described above. I truly believe that CG is probably amazing for a lot of people, but it's not for me. I have never tried to "convert" anyone to sulfates or 'cones, but I don't see why I need to be converted to CG if it doesn't work on my head. It seems like every time I post something, someone tries to convince me that CG would truly be better for me on the presumption that I was just doing it wrong before. CG is not for everyone, and for some of us, sulfates are a necessity. Can't we all just be our own kind of curly?

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