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CG: is it really that great?

Ok, I've been "modified CG" (shampoo once a week w/o sulfates) since September, and lately my condish has been building up on me really quickly. So 2 days ago I shampooed using the dreaded sulfates. My hair was so much shinier and lost its dull greasy look which it had for months. This sucess makes me want to go back to sulfates, maybe once a week. My hair doesn't seem to need nearly as much moisture as other curlies, and it seems like a lot of other curlies are jumping off the CG bandwagon. So, whats your CG story? Success? Or did you give up? Share!
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I used the sample sulfate poo that comes with Robert Craig color, and I will not be doing that again!
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I think that it varies for each individual. I don't mind an easily washable cone every so often, but my hair hates sulfates. It's OK with cocobetaine.

I don't have problems with buildup, and my hair is dry enough where oil isn't an issue.

I've read enough here on the boards to realize that some need a mild sulfate or even a regular sulfate every so often.
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How do you know it's your CO that's building up on your hair? Is it because you don't use a gel or mousse on your hair? If you do, that's probably more likely to be what's building up on your hair than a CO, unless you have hard water... In my experience after being here on/off for years success in CG has more to do with products chosen AND the type of water a person has. If you have hard water and/or are using a cheap CO and/or a gel with ingredients that build up (such as polyquaternium 4, 11, etc.) that could explain why you are needing a sulfated shampoo.

I've been on CG since '02 and have rarely had dull hair without using any kind of shampoo at all. The few times I've used shampoo have only been to remove temporary coloring from my hair, not product buildup; if I ever have any, the recipes in the CG book are enough to take care of it.

I have to mention that I have colored hair which at this point has a large percentage of gray, normally hair like mine which is being shampooed regularly would really look dull and flat, instead mine usually has a healthy shine, so for me CG is a the only way to go and I would never go back.
2A/3A, medium length, layered, colored dark/medium ash blonde - "CGer" since April '02.

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I chose other. I modify as needed. I'm not allergic to shampoo nor do I think strict CG is the be all end all for everyone. It's not written in stone it's just a new (for that time) way for some of treating your hair. Actually some had already been cream cleansing for quite some time and not washing daily. I had friends in highschool that only washed once a week, used a cream cleanser when they did wash and oiled their hair.

You're not the only one that gets buildup. Conditioners coat the hair, that's what they're supposed to do. Some people's hair seems more tolerant of this than others or to not hang onto conditioner as much.
Whatever the reason not everyone's hair is the same. Everything doesn't work for everyone. And not everyone wants their hair to look the same way.
You have to decide what works for you, how to modify or if you want to continue on CG at all.

All that being said if you can't get rid of the buildup with a no sulfate cleanser, try a mild sulfate one and work your way out from there. Figure out what's right for you. Experimentation is better than throwing the baby out with the bath water. And if you find it just doesn't work for you well you're not the only one. It's just a book not the curly right of passage that you have to do to stay curly. Just do what does work

ETA: that's for the general you, not the you in particular by the way. That's my not everyone is CG peptalk
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It never worked for me. I bought the book, I tried many different products, tried all the different recipes. I tried 3 different times. Each time was worse than the last.

I gave the book away and went shampoo shopping!
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How do you know it's your CO that's building up on your hair? Is it because you don't use a gel or mousse on your hair? If you do, that's probably more likely to be what's building up on your hair than a CO, unless you have hard water... In my experience after being here on/off for years success in CG has more to do with products chosen AND the type of water a person has. If you have hard water and/or are using a cheap CO and/or a gel with ingredients that build up (such as polyquaternium 4, 11, etc.) that could explain why you are needing a sulfated shampoo.

I've been on CG since '02 and have rarely had dull hair without using any kind of shampoo at all. The few times I've used shampoo have only been to remove temporary coloring from my hair, not product buildup; if I ever have any, the recipes in the CG book are enough to take care of it.

I have to mention that I have colored hair which at this point has a large percentage of gray, normally hair like mine which is being shampooed regularly would really look dull and flat, instead mine usually has a healthy shine, so for me CG is a the only way to go and I would never go back.
Originally Posted by HalfWavyHalfCurly
Ok, I don't use any styling products... I don't have hard water. Lately I've been rotating the following condishes: AHC, Too Shea, Curl Junkie Thick and Luscious, and Trader Joe's Nourish. I seem to get the same results with all of them. Dull, greasy, flat, fluffy curls. My hair seems to look better now that I've shampooed. *shrug*
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It doesn't work for everyone, but it worked for me from day 1. It's still working great over 2 years later.
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My hair hates cones, but, like you, loves a sulfate poo once and a while.
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I put other as I'm a modified CG'er too. I don't use silicones or sulfates and I stay away from too much protein also. About twice a year I do use a shampoo (Elucence clarifying) just to strip away any build up that I do have. I always do a DT after that. Other than that I alternate washes between sulfate free cleansers and CO washing.

I've been doing this for 3 years and my hair has stayed the healthiest and curliest it's ever been. The only split ends I get are in this one area where I have a problem with tangles at the nape of my neck. Other than that no splits whatsoever and I used to get them before my modified CG routine. I wouldn't go back for any reason. I liked my hair then but I love my hair now!
2b/3a, primarily use Jessicurl and DevaCurl products, Curls Hair Tea conditioner and various gels. I'm modified CG-ish since 5/04.
I gave up on the Curly Girl regimen because I use products & conditioners that contain certain silicones & other ingredients that may build up. So I have to shampoo, at least once a week.

Yet my hair hates sulfates, so on that weekly basis I use a gentle shampoo. Neutrogena Triple Moisture Creamy Lather, or something like that, is one of them. Activate's another. And the other is the Victoria's Secret Garden Sensuous Shine Amber Romance for Dry/Damaged Hair.

And we have extremely hard water so at least monthly I have to clarify & afterwards I give it a deep conditioning treatment.
I voted other. My hair doesn't hate cones or sulfate shampoo but since laying off them it is much healthier and I use a lot less conditioner. I still use a sulfate shampoo about once every three months and use Jessicurl's Gentle Cleansing Cream about once every two weeks. I use products with a lot of polyquats and find that they build up after repeated use. And we have yukky water where we live so that adds to the buildup.

Frankly, after trying CG for awhile I found stuff that worked and stuff that didn't and I go with that. I don't care about following CG strictly. I do what my hair likes and it has been happy ever since.
How do you know it's your CO that's building up on your hair? Is it because you don't use a gel or mousse on your hair? If you do, that's probably more likely to be what's building up on your hair than a CO, unless you have hard water... In my experience after being here on/off for years success in CG has more to do with products chosen AND the type of water a person has. If you have hard water and/or are using a cheap CO and/or a gel with ingredients that build up (such as polyquaternium 4, 11, etc.) that could explain why you are needing a sulfated shampoo.

I've been on CG since '02 and have rarely had dull hair without using any kind of shampoo at all. The few times I've used shampoo have only been to remove temporary coloring from my hair, not product buildup; if I ever have any, the recipes in the CG book are enough to take care of it.

I have to mention that I have colored hair which at this point has a large percentage of gray, normally hair like mine which is being shampooed regularly would really look dull and flat, instead mine usually has a healthy shine, so for me CG is a the only way to go and I would never go back.
Originally Posted by HalfWavyHalfCurly
Ok, I don't use any styling products... I don't have hard water. Lately I've been rotating the following condishes: AHC, Too Shea, Curl Junkie Thick and Luscious, and Trader Joe's Nourish. I seem to get the same results with all of them. Dull, greasy, flat, fluffy curls. My hair seems to look better now that I've shampooed. *shrug*
Originally Posted by embudini
Maybe those conditioners were too much for you without the sulfates you mentioned - they are all hailed to be really moisturizing, slippy condishes. That said, plenty of curlies like sulfates! I don't have any personal experiences to try just yet, 'cuz I've never been OFF sulfates (wish me luck on my next shopping trip, I'm gonna try it once I get what I need). Anyway, if your hair isn't dry and you can use sulfates, a whole world of haircare opens up to you! You don't even have to use 'cones if you use sulfates, you just can if you want.
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Ok, I don't use any styling products... I don't have hard water. Lately I've been rotating the following condishes: AHC, Too Shea, Curl Junkie Thick and Luscious, and Trader Joe's Nourish. I seem to get the same results with all of them. Dull, greasy, flat, fluffy curls. My hair seems to look better now that I've shampooed. *shrug*
Originally Posted by embudini
I had to explain all which I did mostly for the benefit of any "newbies" who might read this, but if you don't use "stylers" then it's your COs, of course. I don't know the ingredients in the Activate or the Trader's Joe Nourish but I know Too Shea is very rich, and so are practically all the products in the CJ line. Although when I first started CG and discovered Avalon Lavender (the old formula) I was able to go without gel when using it as leave-in, most other COs left my hair fluffy, especially those with oils. After I lightened my hair the AL only rarely gave me good results as a leave-in and most of the times I now have to rely on a "styler" to stave off frizz. Just like the Dove commercials for their Color Care formulas say, the chemical composition of my hair is now different and so are its needs.


Laurabeth explained in her thread Cones, polyquats, ions, and removal of buildup" that our hair in its natural state has a negative charge and the more damaged it is the more negatively charged it becomes. Since opposites attract, ingredients with a positive charge will more easily bond with our hair, in fact she mentioned how some manufacturers are positively charging proteins and other conditioning ingredients intentionally. The pH of products (and water, which isn't always "neutral" as it should) is also an influencing factor so in some cases when people say that CG doesn't work for them it could be because the products they have chosen are not ideal for their particular situation, and for those who have very hard water CG sometimes just cannot be made to work. So, three rivers curly it could be that CG didn't work for you because of the above.

It goes without saying that it's preferable to use shampoo than walk around with greasy, coated hair. However, I believe most curlys can make CG work with a little bit of patience and willingness to learn more about ingredients and such and it's worth the extra effort because it simply is healthier for the hair and scalp. I have seen time and again that a lot of people become more conscious about what they are putting on their heads after starting on CG.
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[quote="HalfWavyHalfCurly"]
I had to explain all which I did mostly for the benefit of any "newbies" who might read this, but if you don't use "stylers" then it's your COs, of course. I don't know the ingredients in the Activate or the Trader's Joe Nourish but I know Too Shea is very rich, and so are practically all the products in the CJ line. Although when I first started CG and discovered Avalon Lavender (the old formula) I was able to go without gel when using it as leave-in, most other COs left my hair fluffy, especially those with oils. After I lightened my hair the AL only rarely gave me good results as a leave-in and most of the times I now have to rely on a "styler" to stave off frizz. Just like the Dove commercials for their Color Care formulas say, the chemical composition of my hair is now different and so are its needs.


Cones, polyquats, ions, and removal of buildup" that our hair in its natural state has a negative charge and the more damaged it is the more negatively charged it becomes. Since opposites attract, ingredients with a positive charge will more easily bond with our hair, in fact she mentioned how some manufacturers are positively charging proteins and other conditioning ingredients intentionally. The pH of products (and water, which isn't always "neutral" as it should) is also an influencing factor so in some cases when people say that CG doesn't work for them it could be because the products they have chosen are not ideal for their particular situation, and for those who have very hard water CG sometimes just cannot be made to work. So, three rivers curly it could be that CG didn't work for you because of the above.
Originally Posted by embudini
Well, since you've dragged me into this...

I lived in 3 different places during the times that I have tried CG. One house had a water softener, one house had hard water, one house had quite normal water. Out of the 3 houses, one was in a high humidity area, two were not.

I didn't just try this for a week or two and then give up. Each time I gave it between 6 months and a year.

I'm glad this works for you - really. However, not everything works for everyone. Being condesceding to others will not change this.
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I'm glad this works for you - really. However, not everything works for everyone. Being condesceding to others will not change this.
My thoughts too.
2c/3a?
Low porosity, medium texture.
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If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
I tried it a couple of year ago but gave up after my head kept itching and got red. I know it works well for some people though but its not for me
3 to 3A, a mess of layers of different lengths, I just want to get it looking good at whatever length.
I love CG and I love knowing that my hair will always be healthy!
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I love CG and I love knowing that my hair will always be healthy!
Originally Posted by Blush
You can still have healthy hair and use shampoo - it is just a matter of using the right products.
Better everyone think your a fool, than to open your mouth and prove them right.

Perception is not reality.

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My hair never saw actual curl prior to CG (modified CG as I do wash with a low sulfate shampoo once a month..longer if possible...because of the hard water).

Where I've seen much more improvment is in the health of my hair. It is shiny with very little effort on my part and I'm able to *gasp* straighten it with the use of no silicones! I can't wait to see how much healthier my hair will be after I get it cut!
In DESPERATE need of a haircut.

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