I've lost all hope in my hair :(

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Hello,

I'm new to this forum and would appreciate any advice given.

I've been using natural products for over 3 years and have never found one that I'm very impressed with. I've make flax gel and ocasionally that works well, but as soon as I touch my hair (once dried), the gel just melts and leaves my hair a wavy, frizzy mess. My hair also stinks after using flax gel, even with essential oils.

Brands I've tried:
Aveda
Liz Earle
Curls
MOP
Kerastase (not natural I know)
Jessiecurl
KinkyCurly
Shea Moisture

I've also done the 'no poo' for many months, using baking soda and apple cider vinegar but this just knots up my hair and takes forever for it to look even remotely healthy. I've also tried countless DIY masks with eggs, olive oil, coconut oil, honey, avocado and I'm going to try gelatine tonight. I hardly ever towel dry my hair and when I do it is with a microfibre towel. I always wash hair before bed and they sleep with mostly dry hair on a silk pillowcase. (I tried washing hair in the morning to see if sleeping causes it to frizz and become messy, but it makes no difference)


I have thick, frizzy, unruly curly hair (2C) which I've recently had cut.

The cut itself I think is good, I went to an Aveda salon and the stylist knew straight away what I wanted, after all he had the exact hairstyle I was looking for! He said he uses the "Be Curly" enhancer and suggests I use the same. I purchased the shampoo, conditioner and be curly cream, hoping that I would have good hair products to go with a new cut. It's been a week of using these products and I decided to add the Brilliant Retexturing gel to try and give more hold and definition to my curls. Unfortunately, the gel just make my hair "poufy" and knotty. It has no hold, no definition with the gel and curl enhancer and is just another waste of money. I strongly believe in what Aveda do and their products are the only ones that make my hair smell nice. (I'm literally smelling the products all day out of the containers!) I've spend over 120 on a hair cut (first one this year) and a few products but my hair looks no different. It's just more difficult to tie back because it's shorter.

I often think about just cutting it all off and not bother with it any more, but on the odd occasion in the past that my hair looks nice, I really like it and it suits me very well. Although it's probably not the cut, I have thought about going to a Kerastase salon to have it re-cut and treated with intense salon-only treatments. (I use to use Kerastase when I straightened my hair over 4 years ago and it worked incredibly well.)

What should I do at this point? I've contacted Aveda to ask them for tips because I don't think that their products are 'bad' at all, they just aren't working for me and I want to know why.

I think the last brand to try is Giovanni (including their gel). Giovanni and moderately priced and mostly natural. I have no problem paying money for products that work, but I don't think I can continue spending over 100 on a product line that doesn't work.

Thanks for reading and I look forward to any suggestions.

Last edited by Nstocks; 09-01-2013 at 07:04 AM.
Do you know your hair properties (fine/normal/coarse) and porosity? What is your current routine (in detail!)? What is it you're struggling with (frizz/limp/flat)? Can you post any pics? What is the weather like where you are?
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2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
My hair is very thick and coarse. I think I have low porosity hair. (I did the 'Slipnslide' test and my hair felt smooth going up the hair strand)

Current routine using Aveda Be curly shampoo, conditioner and curl enhancer.

Shampoo twice a week, washing hair almost daily. Most of the time I use use conditioner though, no matter which brand, I hardly ever use shampoo.

Once hair is washed, I apply the cream and scrunch slightly to get rid of exces water. I then use a wide tooth wooden comb to distribute the product. I comb the hair back to try and keep it in place. I use my ears to tuck away most of the hair (same as the stylist) because I don't like any hair on my face.

2-3 hours and my hair is dry enough to sleep on. If I squeeze my head, I can feel a small amount of water left, but not a lot.

Wake up to horrible hair and tie it back. Repeat and try more products.

I'm struggling with frizz, flyaways, and no hold. The cut has helped my hair to not fall flat, but with nothing weighing it down, it's like a mad birds nest. I don't care for ultra-neat hair, but I want all the curly to 'contract' on my head and not expand outwards like I've been electrocuted!

Weather here in England isn't humid so that's not a problem. It's often cold and windy.

Not a great picture and my hair would be curlier but I've tied it back today which takes out some definition.

Thanks for your fast reply and help.

EDIT: The back of my hair is more like 3A and the rest is 2C. The bottom has those 'hermit' curls that are hidden away. (and the best defined)
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Last edited by Nstocks; 09-01-2013 at 07:24 AM.
Another picture here a few months ago before I had it cut. I think I had flax gel in here and the curls were well defined and bouncy. It never stayed in place so I tied it back which took out the definition and shine of the flax gel.
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If you're struggling with frizz, I don't think a cream as your only styler is going to cut it. I have to layer products to control frizz and provide hold. I would try adding the flax gel on top of the cream and see if that helps. For me, I have to use gel. I normally use okra or flax seed gel (for shine, frizz comtrol & clumping) topped with another gel for hold.

Do you make your own flax seed gel? What do you add? If not already, try adding honey or agave to your gel for additional hold.
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
I've come to that conclusion too - creams don't work but gels do. When I use to make it, I added Aloe and honey but I hated the smell and the fact that every other week I have to make a new batch and keep it refrigerated. The aveda gel has chamomile as the the second ingredient in their gel, so perhaps I should find chamomile oil (?) to make it smell incredible. I know jessicurl have a flax gel but it's like 15.

I might give this a go: Giovanni Hair Care Products L.A. Firm Hold Natural Styling Gel Made with Organic Ingredients 201 ml: Amazon.co.uk: Health & Beauty

I'm just annoyed that the other (Aveda) products don't do much either. I don't think it says a lot about shampoo/conditioner/treatments if the results are reliant upon the finishing product/gel. I'll see what Aveda say about this too, but would you apply the cream, then the gel separately, not mixing them together in hands prior to application? Also, should I comb it through or scrunch? In the past I found that I need a LOT of FSG when scrunching, otherwise the canopy is full of stray hairs.

Thanks for your help.
When I use okra/ FSG I use a lot of product too. My hair has to have every inch covered! I normally rake it in (I don't use a comb because I have zero root curl if I do) then squeeze it into the length, then scrunch and pump once it's all in. I would apply the two products separately.
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
Could you briefly explain the method for Okra? How do you find it differs from FSG? I've never heard of this before!

To retouch or add a final touch, is there any good wax/pomade out there? I don't think the gel alone is enough to control the style, esp. after sleeping. Aveda do a humectant (or anti-humectant) pomade, not sure exactly what the ingredients are though.
I have thick, coarse, frizzy 2C hair. I use a very conditioning leave-in in, FSG with some argan oil on top of that, and BRHG for hold on top of that. I posted about my routine in the Scott Musgrave thread. I stopped cowashing. I get better results with low poos.
Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
Current favorites:
Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
Style: FSG, BRHG
Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

iHerb discount code: PNQ285
Hello,

I'm new to this forum and would appreciate any advice given.

I've been using natural products for over 3 years and have never found one that I'm very impressed with. I've make flax gel and ocasionally that works well, but as soon as I touch my hair (once dried), the gel just melts and leaves my hair a wavy, frizzy mess. My hair also stinks after using flax gel, even with essential oils.

Brands I've tried:
Aveda
Liz Earle
Curls
MOP
Kerastase (not natural I know)
Jessiecurl
KinkyCurly
Shea Moisture

I've also done the 'no poo' for many months, using baking soda and apple cider vinegar but this just knots up my hair and takes forever for it to look even remotely healthy. I've also tried countless DIY masks with eggs, olive oil, coconut oil, honey, avocado and I'm going to try gelatine tonight. I hardly ever towel dry my hair and when I do it is with a microfibre towel. I always wash hair before bed and they sleep with mostly dry hair on a silk pillowcase. (I tried washing hair in the morning to see if sleeping causes it to frizz and become messy, but it makes no difference)


I have thick, frizzy, unruly curly hair (2C) which I've recently had cut.

The cut itself I think is good, I went to an Aveda salon and the stylist knew straight away what I wanted, after all he had the exact hairstyle I was looking for! He said he uses the "Be Curly" enhancer and suggests I use the same. I purchased the shampoo, conditioner and be curly cream, hoping that I would have good hair products to go with a new cut. It's been a week of using these products and I decided to add the Brilliant Retexturing gel to try and give more hold and definition to my curls. Unfortunately, the gel just make my hair "poufy" and knotty. It has no hold, no definition with the gel and curl enhancer and is just another waste of money. I strongly believe in what Aveda do and their products are the only ones that make my hair smell nice. (I'm literally smelling the products all day out of the containers!) I've spend over 120 on a hair cut (first one this year) and a few products but my hair looks no different. It's just more difficult to tie back because it's shorter.

I often think about just cutting it all off and not bother with it any more, but on the odd occasion in the past that my hair looks nice, I really like it and it suits me very well. Although it's probably not the cut, I have thought about going to a Kerastase salon to have it re-cut and treated with intense salon-only treatments. (I use to use Kerastase when I straightened my hair over 4 years ago and it worked incredibly well.)

What should I do at this point? I've contacted Aveda to ask them for tips because I don't think that their products are 'bad' at all, they just aren't working for me and I want to know why.

I think the last brand to try is Giovanni (including their gel). Giovanni and moderately priced and mostly natural. I have no problem paying money for products that work, but I don't think I can continue spending over 100 on a product line that doesn't work.

Thanks for reading and I look forward to any suggestions.
Originally Posted by Nstocks
Welcome!

Baking soda is alkaline so damaging to skin and hair, this damage can cause or worsen frizz. Washing your hair too often and tying it back harshly can also damage it. Many food items don't penetrate the hair, coconut oil and olive oil do if your hair is porous but you seem to think your hair is low porosity. Many people with coarse hair do not o well with hydrolysed protein (gelatin).

Flaxseed gel is good for curl definition and clumping, you get more hold by adding xanthan gum. Smell .... are you sterilising all your equipment and using a preservative? The gel will go off and stink if it gets contaminated by bacteria, be that from your hands, hair or container.

Any styling product needs to be used over plenty of leave in conditioner, are you using enough? Both aloe and honey are potent humectants so can attract too much water to the hair causing it to swell and frizz, tho this is more of an issue in higher porosity hair, have you tried straight up flaxseed gel?

Hair should not be touched or rub on a pillowcase until it is bone dry, sometimes with thicker hair this is much longer than we think, hair seems touch dry but it not fully dry. IMO stop combing your hair, that is designed to break up the clumps into individual hairs causing or contributing to frizz. Instead distribute conditioner and styler by raking or scrunching in small sections.

HTH.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 09-01-2013 at 08:57 AM.
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Welcome!

Baking soda is alkaline so damaging to skin and hair, this damage can cause or worsen frizz. Washing your hair too often and tying it back harshly can also damage it. Many food items don't penetrate the hair, coconut oil and olive oil do if your hair is porous but you seem to think your hair is low porosity. Many people with coarse hair do not o well with hydrolysed protein (gelatin).

Flaxseed gel is good for curl definition and clumping, you get more hold by adding xanthan gum. Smell .... are you sterilising all your equipment and using a preservative? The gel will go off and stink if it gets contaminated by bacteria, be that from your hands, hair or container. Any styling product needs to be used over plenty of leave in conditioner, are you using enough?

Hair should not be touched or rub on a pillowcase until it is bone dry, sometimes with thicker hair this is much longer than we think, hair seems touch dry but it not fully dry. IMO stop combing your hair, that is designed to break up the clumps into individual hairs causing or contributing to frizz. Instead distribute conditioner and styler by raking or scrunching in small sections.

HTH.[/QUOTE]

I've done the other porosity test and my hair floats. I even tried to sink it but it floats back up. Does this mean it's harder for products to get into the hair shaft? Too much protein isn't good for this hair type apparently, so gelatine won't be a good option for me. Coconut oil in the past makes my hair look incredibly greasy, even with a small amount.

Does the Xanthum gum leave any flakiness at all? I wasn't using a preservative that I know off, just using flax, water, honey and aloe with essential oils. It's hard to describe the smell, - it just smelt funky and old compared to Aveda. For chamomile or any good scent, wouldl I need the oil, not a water infused liquid? Essential oils are not preservatives, are they though? I don't use leave in conditioner, but the Be Curly enhancer is very similar to the conditioner counterpart and is specifically meant to be left it. It has wheat protien which expands, not sure it that is a bad idea for my low porous hair? (I've just read too much protein can make it stiff) If this is the case, I'll stop using the Aveda and look for either a different line or brand. (any recommendations?!)

Thanks for your help. I'll post whatever Aveda write back to me, as am sure it will spark curiosity, what the company says.
If your hair is damp after 2-3 hours without diffusing and scrunching out water with curl towels, it's not low porosity. My hair, that's not very dense anymore (age, thyroid and a medication I take) used to take 5-6 hours with no product and diffusing for a few minutes.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
I use softee aloe Vera curl activating gel & its my HG gel. It gives great hold alone or when combined with other products. I've also used la looks sport gel. It gives great hold but can be a little drying though.
Maybe try a different technique. I just made a video with Scott Musgrave's MAP technique and I know some courser 2c types who can do this and leave out the scrunch part and it has given them very nice controlled curls. YOu have root curl so you can do it all the way up to the root. Here is the video:

Scott Musgrave MAP Technique - YouTube

You could try CurlyGrey's version which she describes here: Have any wavies tried the Scott Musgrave way of styling wavy hair?

SHe really struggled with frizz until she started doing it this way. You can see in her avatar how great her curls are turning out. Sometimes it's way more about technique than products. Just a thought anyway.
Thanks, Chupie. Yeah, I really struggled with technique and especially with product distribution. My hair can easily turn into unclumped frizzy stringlets.
Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
Current favorites:
Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
Style: FSG, BRHG
Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

iHerb discount code: PNQ285
The thing that strikes me in that long list of things you've tried is that Curly Girling isn't in there. I'm not really clear, from that list what you've been using from what brands at any one time, so maybe I'm wrong, but that's the impression I'm getting. If you're using sulphates without the proper conditioning (ETA by which I mean silicone conditioning to disguise the damage), it stands to reason that your hair would be dry and frizzy. If you're using silicones and not removing them, your hair would also be dry and frizzy.

BS/ACV isn't sulphate pooing, but it also isn't co-washing or low-pooing, and, as others have pointed out, it isn't gentle. It also won't remove silicones.

Aveda Be Curly isn't CG. I had been trying it when I heard about Curly Girling, and gave it up. Big difference in my hair!

I suggest getting the book, Curly Girl: The Handbook. Yes, I know you could be exposed to much of the information here, but most likely not in an organized fashion. The book could help you sort it out; and since you really love your curls when the stars are in alignment, and it all goes well, I think it's really worth giving it a shot before you give up. It's only 6.47 from Amazon UK.
Peace,
Morgan

Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
CGing since July 2008

Last edited by Morgan_Adcock; 09-02-2013 at 01:05 AM.
I'm sorry your having a problem, I know how frustrating it can be, but to be honest, I think your hair looks nice!
Also, I could be wrong but I think the Aveda products your using have cones which could be making your hair misbehave.
Anyway, good luck!
CG off and on since 2010-Determined to stick with it 2013
3C (I think) - Thick, fine, extremely porous
Cleanse L'Oreal EverCreme
CO-(Daily)YTC, Suave tea therapy, TN
RO- Yes to cucumbers color care, L'Oreal reparative or intense smoothing, Tresseme Naturals
LI- Grapeseed oil
Stylers- SMCES, KCCC
Gel- AIA smoothing...still looking

Hair loves protein

I finally realized, its all about "Clumping!
The thing that strikes me in that long list of things you've tried is that Curly Girling isn't in there. I'm not really clear, from that list what you've been using from what brands at any one time, so maybe I'm wrong, but that's the impression I'm getting. If you're using sulphates without the proper conditioning (ETA by which I mean silicone conditioning to disguise the damage), it stands to reason that your hair would be dry and frizzy. If you're using silicones and not removing them, your hair would also be dry and frizzy.

BS/ACV isn't sulphate pooing, but it also isn't co-washing or low-pooing, and, as others have pointed out, it isn't gentle. It also won't remove silicones.

Aveda Be Curly isn't CG. I had been trying it when I heard about Curly Girling, and gave it up. Big difference in my hair!

I suggest getting the book, Curly Girl: The Handbook. Yes, I know you could be exposed to much of the information here, but most likely not in an organized fashion. The book could help you sort it out; and since you really love your curls when the stars are in alignment, and it all goes well, I think it's really worth giving it a shot before you give up. It's only 6.47 from Amazon UK.
Originally Posted by Morgan_Adcock
I know, I've been using so many different things that I lost control of exactly what I was using! I already have the Curly Girl book, but honestly, I didn't and still don't completely understand which products are CG. I mean, I know about cones and sulphates, but overall I've just gone for 'natural' products and Aveda is about 97% natural. If anyone from the UK has suggestions, please let me know.

I googled 'CG Products list' and tried a couple from there (Aubrey organic and Dr. Organic) but they didn't do anything for me, so I expanded to 'natural' products, not CG ones. Aveda do have a few strange ingredients but I didn't really care because I wanted to try something else. (I'm probably going to put them all on eBay since they are over 90% full. At least then I can claim some of my money back)

Here's a photo of what my hair looks like after using Aveda Be Curly conditioner and Curl Enhancer. I applied the enhancer to very wet hair and scrunched it, then let it air-dry. Although it doesn't look terrible, to me, it looks dry and fizzy. (I prefer the wet look too). It has some hold and I can move it around without the product 'falling out'. This is the problem I have with FSG, is that when I touch my hair to style, the gel melts away leaving me with nothing left. Is there something I should apply before FSG or after, like a leave in conditioner before, or a pomade after?

Thanks for your help.

EDIT" I should also mention that I'm a perfectionist, so whilst my hair probably doesn't look terrible, I know it can look a lot better.
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I've done the other porosity test and my hair floats. I even tried to sink it but it floats back up. Does this mean it's harder for products to get into the hair shaft? Too much protein isn't good for this hair type apparently, so gelatine won't be a good option for me. Coconut oil in the past makes my hair look incredibly greasy, even with a small amount.

Does the Xanthum gum leave any flakiness at all? I wasn't using a preservative that I know off, just using flax, water, honey and aloe with essential oils. It's hard to describe the smell, - it just smelt funky and old compared to Aveda. For chamomile or any good scent, wouldl I need the oil, not a water infused liquid? Essential oils are not preservatives, are they though? I don't use leave in conditioner, but the Be Curly enhancer is very similar to the conditioner counterpart and is specifically meant to be left it. It has wheat protien which expands, not sure it that is a bad idea for my low porous hair? (I've just read too much protein can make it stiff) If this is the case, I'll stop using the Aveda and look for either a different line or brand. (any recommendations?!)

Thanks for your help. I'll post whatever Aveda write back to me, as am sure it will spark curiosity, what the company says.
Originally Posted by Nstocks
DIY porosity tests have been debunked, either look at how your hair behaves or have a hair analysis. New service is cheap and the store owner is a respected member here
Pedaheh's Hair Blog: GoosefootPrints Hair Analysis with My Analysis Results
http://www.thenaturalhavenbloom.com/...sts-float.html

If you are going to get into formulation you need to consider your own safety, that means sterilising all your equipment and ideally using a preservative - honey and flaxseed mucilage are delicious food for microorganisms. I've never heard anyone complain that xanthan gum flakes - AFAIK flaking is down to ingredient or product combinations or incompatibilities, not usually a single ingredient.
Roots4U45's channel - YouTube

Curly Girl method includes leave in conditioner and quite a bit of it, perhaps that is the issue. There is an up to date list of high street CG friendly products on the British Curlies forum. Whilst I like using natural ingredients, I more focus on ones that science has proven effective for skin or hair. A lot of well known brands claiming to be 'natural' contain much the same ingredients as the commercial ones anyway. My favourite natural line is Komaza Care but that is getting harder to source in the UK.


I know, I've been using so many different things that I lost control of exactly what I was using! I already have the Curly Girl book, but honestly, I didn't and still don't completely understand which products are CG. I mean, I know about cones and sulphates, but overall I've just gone for 'natural' products and Aveda is about 97% natural. If anyone from the UK has suggestions, please let me know.

I googled 'CG Products list' and tried a couple from there (Aubrey organic and Dr. Organic) but they didn't do anything for me, so I expanded to 'natural' products, not CG ones. Aveda do have a few strange ingredients but I didn't really care because I wanted to try something else. (I'm probably going to put them all on eBay since they are over 90% full. At least then I can claim some of my money back)

Here's a photo of what my hair looks like after using Aveda Be Curly conditioner and Curl Enhancer. I applied the enhancer to very wet hair and scrunched it, then let it air-dry. Although it doesn't look terrible, to me, it looks dry and fizzy. (I prefer the wet look too). It has some hold and I can move it around without the product 'falling out'. This is the problem I have with FSG, is that when I touch my hair to style, the gel melts away leaving me with nothing left. Is there something I should apply before FSG or after, like a leave in conditioner before, or a pomade after?

Thanks for your help.

EDIT" I should also mention that I'm a perfectionist, so whilst my hair probably doesn't look terrible, I know it can look a lot better.
Originally Posted by Nstocks
Sorry to be blunt but IMO there is a decision only you can make, do you want to stay all natural and suck up earthy smells, or do you want effective and lovely smelling branded products? Humans didn't evolve putting plant extracts and baking soda in our hair any more than we evolved using sulphates and silicones. Many products are over 90% natural, because water is the first ingredient - Aveda use parabens, preservatives that many who go 'natural' avoid like the plague.

There is a European swap board here on NC and I think also on the British Curlies forum. You are always welcome to post ingredients lists on the forum of products you are considering, and the regulars will comment. I am sure you will pick it up tho! Ideally avoid or limit anionic surfactants (not just sulphates), anything alkaline (baking soda/ soap), most silicones (-cone, -conol, -xane), waxes including cetyl esters, some polyquats, butters.
Ingredients Commonly Found in Hair Care Products
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Thanks Firefox7275, a lot of good info there!

I've found the UK CG list and I'll look into the products listed and see what looks best and if there are many reviews. (High Street CG products | Curly Hair Forum by British Curlies) I'm surprissed to see 'Frizz Ease' on the list, I didn't think John Frieda would be CG and double checking the ingredients with the link you provided shows that some of those on british curlies are not CG. Strange that they would list them.
Just to clarify, I should:

Use a low poo shampoo (CG) not very often though.
Use a specifically targeted leave in conditioner (there is only one in the link above, does the product need to say 'leave in'?
Apply gel
Air Dry.

I gather from CG that I can use a microfibre towel before applying gel to get rid of some water since the gel makes air-drying much longer. Not sure if I will use a towel as it's probably best to tame any frizz with gel when hair is wet. (although leave in conditioner may help with this)

Of course it's hard to say, but would I be better off making my own gel or keep trying manufacture CG ones? I'd prefer to buy but obviously it might take a couple of products to find a good one. I have no problem making flax gel, it just means I'll need a little equipment, time and good recipes. I'm really into great smelling hair products, after using Aveda... This is something I need to research.

Thanks for your help.

Last edited by Nstocks; 09-02-2013 at 07:17 AM.

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