Only sulphates get rid of silicones??

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  • 2 Post By Corrina777
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On several websites I've read that one can only get rid of silicone build-up by using sulphates, when on other websites they say that coco betaine or cocamidepropyl betain (low-poo) can do the job as well. What is true?
Does it depend on the kind of -cone perhaps?

2B-3A fine-medium/low porosity
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2B/C-3A) fine - low porosity
Routine:
Wash: Daily Fix,SMT, Kesham, Urtekram
RO: Motions CPR Li, Inecto Cocos co, AO GPB, KCTT
acv-rinse, sometimes honey-rinse
LI: coconut oil (winter), CJBC-LI
Styling: AVG, Etos Solid Power Gel, Taft gel, CJPP
, JCCC, BRHG
Plopping~Pixiecurl diffuse~clipping
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Curl Chemist says coco betaine will do the trick, and considering her education and background, I'm believing her over any website. I can also say that I've tried even the strongest silicones (looking at you, dimethicone), and have had no issues using only low-poo (or even cleansing conditioners) with coco betaine.
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3a/f/iii
Modified CG since 11/5/11
CLEANSE: VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea Clarifying, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
RO: DevaCare One Condition, SS Caitlin's Conditioner, Mop Top Daily Conditioner
LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier and Strong Hold Mousse, Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
Agree with Corrina trust scientists like Tonya McKay and the Natural Haven blog,
What's the Scoop on Silicones?
Amodimethicone and other Amine-functionalized Silicones
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Thanks Corrina and Firefox!

@Corrina: I thought so too, but reading all these different things made me doubt myself.

@Firefox: thanks for the links.

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2b-c/3a med/fine- low porosity- normal elasticity, BSL
2B/C-3A) fine - low porosity
Routine:
Wash: Daily Fix,SMT, Kesham, Urtekram
RO: Motions CPR Li, Inecto Cocos co, AO GPB, KCTT
acv-rinse, sometimes honey-rinse
LI: coconut oil (winter), CJBC-LI
Styling: AVG, Etos Solid Power Gel, Taft gel, CJPP
, JCCC, BRHG
Plopping~Pixiecurl diffuse~clipping
KrullenWijzer.blogspot.nl
My low poo in my siggy doesn't get out all of the cones, it has cocamidepropyl betain in it. I am in love with the tresemme gel in my siggy and have to clarify once per week to keep the buildup down even though the gel contains a supposedly water soluble cone. I dislike that I have to resort to harsher methods, but its not the end of the world either. I'd much rather have nice hair every day than the alternative. The clarifing poos that I use do not have sulfates so I think its the quantity of the coco-B in the poo that is key to removal of cones.
Type 2B - 3A
Med-High Porosity (partial highlights), medium & corse mixed textures

CG Day 1: May 16, 2013

Poo: CJ Daily Fix Cleansing Condish (as needed)
CO: Tresemme Naturals Vibrantly Smooth Condish
RO&LI: CJ Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil Daily Hair Condish
Styling: CJ Pattern Pusha or FSG, TRESemme Flawless Curls - Bouncy Curls Defining Gel, Giovanni LANaturals HardHold Gel (canopy only)
DT: CJ Curl Rehab, Coconut oil, SS Repairing PT

Techniques: Scrunch-n-pump, tshirt wrap
Agree with Corrina trust scientists like Tonya McKay and the Natural Haven blog,
What's the Scoop on Silicones?
Amodimethicone and other Amine-functionalized Silicones
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
According to the Natural Haven blog on this issue, the implication is that cocamidopropyl betaine by itself is not as effective as are the sulfates:

Alternatives to Sulfate Shampoos: Cocamidopropyl betaine

Last edited by SuzyQ3; 09-09-2013 at 11:29 AM.
I think it depends on what type of water you have too. I have very hard water and low poos just don't do the trick with it. Since getting a shower filter put in, it's been much better.
That article appears to focus on the ability of detergents to dissolve oils, not silicones or polyquaterniums. A primary reason why low-poos are recommended over sulphate poos is that they don't strip hair of oil, which would leave it dry and unprotected.
Peace,
Morgan

Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
CGing since July 2008
One thing that seems to get left out when this question arises is that there is water solubility, and then there's water solubility. Some things dissolve readily, some slowly, and the proportions may also affect solubility.
Peace,
Morgan

Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
CGing since July 2008
That article appears to focus on the ability of detergents to dissolve oils, not silicones or polyquaterniums. A primary reason why low-poos are recommended over sulphate poos is that they don't strip hair of oil, which would leave it dry and unprotected.
Originally Posted by Morgan_Adcock
You're right. The article itself does focus on dissolving oils. But what I meant by the author implying that cocamidoproyl betaine might not remove all silicones was based on his or her answer to a question in the comments section.

The question:
would this be enough to cleanse if you co- washed and didn't use silicones (except water soluble ones) but say used polyquats? ty CHM
The answer:
CHM - polyquats similar to silicones tend to require SLS for removal. However this depends on how much is in the product and also some polyquats are 'easier' to remove than others. The best advice I can give is a watch and see approach. If you start experiencing build up then you know perhaps the shampoo is not good enough.
It seems that the author is saying that silicones are similar to polyquats in that they need the harsher sulfates for removal.

But even if that's true, that would apply only to the non-soluble silicones. BTW, I'm not necessarily agreeing with the author but was just pointing out to the previous poster that Natural Haven, as far as I can see, doesn't flat out state that cocamidoproyl betaine removes silicone build-up.

Last edited by SuzyQ3; 09-09-2013 at 03:59 PM.

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