Join Date: Aug 2013
Fine hair that loves protein & coarse that hates protein on the same head?
Hey everyone. I've been CG & lurking on these boards since the beginning of June. You gals & guys are amazing. I've learned so much from you all (for which i a, incredibly greatful) and b/c of all y'all smart people I am so, so, close to having nailed down my routine. I'm having a bit of a problem with the crown and upper portion of the back of my head. Most of my hair is fine/medium to medium. However, I do have lots of strands in the crown & at the back of head that seem to be far, far more coarse.
short version - straight to the question: Does anyone else have a problem w/some of their hair hating protein & some loving it? Any advice on how to get protein moisture balance with hair that has differents desired levels of balance? Also, I really really want to keep using softee protein gel, so any ideas on what to do for my coarser hairs (which seem to be getting too much protein w/it) that will let me keep using it? Or am I crazy for thinking this is a protein issue?
properties - high porosity; med density; low elasticity. also, bleach damage from being over processed about 4 months ago. nearly all of the significant damage except for a little bit on the ends in the back.
lots of details/long version:
I started "testing" my theory re: my coarse strands a few weeks ago. When I would get hair fall while finger combing in the shower I would stick them to the tile and smooth them straight in a row next to each other so I could compare the thickness of the strands I was getting. About 70% were pretty close in relative size. They were very pliable and although some were finer, they were not wispy or "barely there". Based on everything I've read here & in live curly live free I figured these were medium/fine -medium. Now 30% of the strands (maybe 25%) were 2x - 3x as thick as the others. They were pliable, in that I could easily bend them, wrap them around my finger, etc, but they were much thicker, wiry, and they typically are very kinked strands.
I have done the gelatin protein treatments. I do them about every other week for 15-20 minutes. The majority of my hair seems to really benefit from it and gets all springy & bouncy. I'm due for one this week but think I might hold off because I think the PT's are making the wiry, kinked strands more wiry. I wasn't using any protein in my conditioners or stylers. However, the other day I found softee protein gel for a buck and my inner PJ couldn't help but buy it. I tried using by itself over my leave in (As I Am leave in), and I got a TON of those wiry hairs sticking out all over the place. The above is why I think it might be the protein. I tried using it again using my RO, YTB, as a leave in and I used a bunch of FSG under it. It was much better and this combo would be perfect and amazing....except. For. These. Wiry. Hairs.
I put my YTB in soaking hair, combing it through. I used a pretty generous amount b/c my hair soaks things up fairly well. Then I raked a generous amount of FSG while right side up. I flip over and raked through some more. While still upside down I raked through the softee protein gel & scrunched. At this point, this are going really well. Then I flip back upright, arrange my part. Everything looks great except the back is incredibly messy, frizzy, matted looking and tangly. ( and here's what's weird. My hair doesn't tangle. I don't ever even have to use a comb. I finger comb for distribution b/c putting in conditioner and running the shower over it will completely detangle my hair). Yet, when I'm styling, the back starts tangling up. It doesn't form knots at all. It just kind of snarls together. And it's done this with KCCC, FSG (plain), As I Am curling gel, HE instant freeze, BRHG, so not just the softee.
At any rate, I spray the back & crown to make it wetter (dries pretty quick) finger comb/rake some FSG in then the softee. Then I flip back over (upside down now) to scrunch (necessary for root curl & volume). This time when i flip up the back is much better but still messy, frizzy. I give it a few minutes to air dry, then I diffuse side to side & upside down. I SOTC with a small amount of coconut oil mixed with a tad of apricot kernal. This gives me really pretty, shiny, bouncy, curly (for me) hair. However, the frizzy wiry strands go their own way, and b/c they are so kinky it makes the whole back look quite frizzy. Note: it does look worse wet than dry, but not that great dry).
Note also: I did think that maybe flipping upside down & rightside up was causing it to be messy/ frizzy however I tried styling with the rake & shake method & still had an issue with the back.
I am Sorry, this is getting so long, I just want to make sure I give enough info for anyone that might want to jump in and give some advice or theories about what is going on.
extra info about products/routine
For completeness of info, I do overnight coconut soaks a few times a week for my high porosity. I wet and cowash everyday just about with as I am cleansing conditioner (which is absolutely amazing!). I am now using YTB as my RO & leave in. I shampoo w/YTC about once a week. I have tried AOHR, GVP conditioning balm, tresseme naturals, and suave as RO, LI, and doctored DC's. None of these impressed much & GVPCB will give me the worst poofy frizz ever. For a deep conditioner I have recently been adding coconut blended with a bit of avocado oil to my YTB for 30 either Saran wrapped and sitting out in the summer heat or with a heat cap. I don't necessarily love this but can't afford anything expensive and haven't come across any reasonably priced DC's that look like they have the right kind of ingredients. (I also may be slightly confused about what I'm actually looking for).
Oh! I also have high dewsin the summer (just in case that might be relevant)
Again, sorry this is soooooooo long and thank you in advance for any info/ideas you can share.
Last edited by MollysMom; 09-11-2013 at 10:50 PM.
Reason: Short version first, details follow. Man this post got long.