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Old 09-13-2013, 05:09 AM   #1
 
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I am at wits end. I have been curly girl for about 4 months. Tried many different products, low poo, no poo.. my hair has improved slightly, but is still insanely unmanageable.

I believe I am 2B or 2C
Low Porosity, High Density and have coarse hair.

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Old 09-13-2013, 05:13 AM   #2
 
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Hit send too quick...
I currently use vo5 for my co wash.
Rarely I use Tresemme naturals "lower sulfates".. very rarely.
Rinse out is Tresemme naturals "silicone free" nourishing moisture conditioner.
My leave in is L'Oreal ever curl...

Help ?

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Welcome! What do you mean by unmanageable, what specific problems?

Which L'Oreal Evercurl conditioner and what is your styler? Have you tried using way more leave in conditioner? You look to have a lot of curl at the bottom but little at the top, are you parting your hair so combing when not recommended to? Have you tried doing everything upside down from washing onwards?
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Old 09-13-2013, 03:28 PM   #4
 
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II mean unmanagle in the sense it is beyond frizzy. I can't do anything with it, it is allmost always in a ponytail or bun because it looks terrible down. I think I need a good haircut, but none some up on the search for curly sylists. I use L'oreal evercurl.hydracharge leave in cream. To style I have been using LaBella lots of curls styling gel. I have tried plopping , but not sure what else I can try. I haven't brushed in months, but do part my hair with a wide tooth comb while in the shower. Upside down?
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II mean unmanagle in the sense it is beyond frizzy. I can't do anything with it, it is allmost always in a ponytail or bun because it looks terrible down. I think I need a good haircut, but none some up on the search for curly sylists. I use L'oreal evercurl.hydracharge leave in cream. To style I have been using LaBella lots of curls styling gel. I have tried plopping , but not sure what else I can try. I haven't brushed in months, but do part my hair with a wide tooth comb while in the shower. Upside down?
Have you read the stickies on the newbies and this board, and/ or the Curly Girl book itself? When you say you tried plopping, do you mean you are not doing that any more?

Are you pulling your hair back tightly? That can mess with your curl pattern and formation and damage the hair. Your styling gel is loaded with humectants (propylene glycol, sorbitol), they can cause frizz in some dew points tho usually for higher porosity hair. Are you sure your hair is low porosity?

That leave in conditioner contains a silicone and cetyl esters which are a wax, that can build up terribly for some of us. You may need to clarify that out. I still say use WAY more leave in conditioner on dripping wet hair as per the method, but maybe not that leave in maybe the Tresemme. Apply in sections since you have dense hair.

Definitely try washing and styling with your head upside down, it makes it was easier to distribute product right up to the roots and get better root curl. Consider parting before you apply products, not after, the method doesn't have you combing that late in the process and it may well break the clumps up causing frizz. Apparently a part can even survive careful rewetting.
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I don't see anything wrong with your hair...
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I don't see anything wrong, either. There's maybe a little frizz, but not that much. One thing that I think we tend to do is over-obsess on frizz without noticing that most people, including straighties, also have frizz--take a look at other people and you'll see what I mean. The other thing that I've noticed with my hair is that if the curl pattern is strong, the frizz isn't very obvious.

I don't think frizz-free is attainable. If you make sure your hair is well-moisturized and conditioned, and use a good gel, then that's probably the best way to minimize it.

ETA: I meant to say that I think your hair is lovely! Also, a bit of oil will help to smooth down flyaways. And you should see my hair after I've been out in the wind (lots of wind here)!
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Old 09-14-2013, 02:43 AM   #8
 
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HI still plop on occasiion. My hair takes FOREVER to dry so it usually air drys.
That was a lot of helpful info, I suppose I should look in to some better products perhaps. I did read the stickies a while ago, but I will again.
Is the curly girl book worth it? I heard mixed reviews, but maybe it would help me.


Also thank you ladies. My hair isn't terrible I suppose. I just hate how it is sooo poofy. Especially in the back when I wear it down it it so large and now in a good way. Maybe I just need a good cut. I found a lady in my area who says she does a deva cut, but she isn't on the deva site for certified stylists. Maybe it will be worth a shot. I think a lot of my problem is Ineed a good cut. I have never been anywhere where people really new how to cute curls. They always wet it down and comment on how thick and everything it is.
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If you haven't read Curly Girl: The Handbook, available here or here, I strongly recommend your getting it. There is no better source for accurate and thorough information about curly girling, and the video segments on the DVD that comes with it are more than worth the price of admission. It even has instruction, illustrations and video on cutting your own hair (and they work!).

None of the three TRESemmé Naturals Shampoos I found was a low-poo. If you haven't tried L'Oreal L`Oreal Paris EverCurl Cleansing Conditioner, I think it would probably be worth trying, as quite a few people I know really like it.

L`Oreal Paris EverCurl Hydracharge Leave-In Cream ingredients:
Aqua / Water / Eau, Cetearyl Alcohol, Amodimethicone, Cetyl Esters, Behentrimonium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol, Parfum / Fragrance, Trideceth-6, Isopropyl Alcohol, Cocos Nucifera Oil / Coconut Oil, Vitis Vinifera Seed Oil / Grape Seed Oil, Benzyl Benzoate, Benzyl Alcohol, Cetrimonium Chloride, Chlorhexidine Dihydrochloride, Linalool, Hexyl Cinnamal, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, 2-Oleamido-1,3-Octadecanediol, Hibiscus Esculentus / Hibiscus Esculentus Seed Extract, Coumarin, Citrus Aurantium Dulcis Oil / Orange Peel Oil, Limonene, Bht.

So there's a cone there, and a wax. Some people do okay with amiodimethicone if they low-poo, but I've found all cones to be problematic for me. You don't need a specific "leave in" conditioner. You can use your "rinse out" conditioner as your leave in, either by rinsing it all out, then adding some back in, or by doing a sprinkle or baptismal rinse (as described in Curly Girl: The Handbook).

LaBella lots of curls styling gel ingredients:
Deionized Water, Sorbitol, Glycerin, Pvp, Propylene Glycol, Carbopol, Cocus Nucifera (Coconut) Oil, Cannabis Sativa (Hemp) Seed Oil, Lanolin, Triethanolamine, Dmdm Hydantoin, Methylparaben, Polysorbate-20, Benzophenone-4, Isosteareth-20, Tetrasodium Edta, Fragrance, Menthol, D&C Red No. 33.

Wow! That's got a whole lot of humectant, which could be a major contributor to frizz. The lanolin probably isn't helping either, but that's a wax. Have you tried LA Looks Sport Gel?
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Old 09-15-2013, 02:30 AM   #10
 
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Thank you for the advice! I am going to be purchasing it when I get paid Wednesday. Excited. Also, I will be trying out the L'oreal ever curl you mentioned. I am already using the leave in conditioner for that line.

That la belle lots of curls... yep looks like that's one for the trash. Today my hair looked slightly better. I plopped it longer and tried to not touch it so much once I got out. I had a nice pony at work. I will have to see how it looks down tomorrow after I shower

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If you haven't read Curly Girl: The Handbook, available here or here, I strongly recommend your getting it. There is no better source for accurate and thorough information about curly girling, and the video segments on the DVD that comes with it are more than worth the price of admission. It even has instruction, illustrations and video on cutting your own hair (and they work!).

None of the three TRESemmé Naturals Shampoos I found was a low-poo. If you haven't tried L'Oreal L`Oreal Paris EverCurl Cleansing Conditioner, I think it would probably be worth trying, as quite a few people I know really like it.

L`Oreal Paris EverCurl Hydracharge Leave-In Cream ingredients:
Aqua / Water / Eau, Cetearyl Alcohol, Amodimethicone, Cetyl Esters, Behentrimonium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol, Parfum / Fragrance, Trideceth-6, Isopropyl Alcohol, Cocos Nucifera Oil / Coconut Oil, Vitis Vinifera Seed Oil / Grape Seed Oil, Benzyl Benzoate, Benzyl Alcohol, Cetrimonium Chloride, Chlorhexidine Dihydrochloride, Linalool, Hexyl Cinnamal, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, 2-Oleamido-1,3-Octadecanediol, Hibiscus Esculentus / Hibiscus Esculentus Seed Extract, Coumarin, Citrus Aurantium Dulcis Oil / Orange Peel Oil, Limonene, Bht.

So there's a cone there, and a wax. Some people do okay with amiodimethicone if they low-poo, but I've found all cones to be problematic for me. You don't need a specific "leave in" conditioner. You can use your "rinse out" conditioner as your leave in, either by rinsing it all out, then adding some back in, or by doing a sprinkle or baptismal rinse (as described in Curly Girl: The Handbook).

LaBella lots of curls styling gel ingredients:
Deionized Water, Sorbitol, Glycerin, Pvp, Propylene Glycol, Carbopol, Cocus Nucifera (Coconut) Oil, Cannabis Sativa (Hemp) Seed Oil, Lanolin, Triethanolamine, Dmdm Hydantoin, Methylparaben, Polysorbate-20, Benzophenone-4, Isosteareth-20, Tetrasodium Edta, Fragrance, Menthol, D&C Red No. 33.

Wow! That's got a whole lot of humectant, which could be a major contributor to frizz. The lanolin probably isn't helping either, but that's a wax. Have you tried LA Looks Sport Gel?
To my knowledge Cetearyl Alcohol is a fatty alcohol. Are you confusing it with Cetyl esters?
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Thank you for correcting me.

With bolding the non-CG ingredients, that should read:

L`Oreal Paris EverCurl Hydracharge Leave-In Cream ingredients:
Aqua / Water / Eau, Cetearyl Alcohol, Amodimethicone, Cetyl Esters, Behentrimonium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol, Parfum / Fragrance, Trideceth-6, Isopropyl Alcohol, Cocos Nucifera Oil / Coconut Oil, Vitis Vinifera Seed Oil / Grape Seed Oil, Benzyl Benzoate, Benzyl Alcohol, Cetrimonium Chloride, Chlorhexidine Dihydrochloride, Linalool, Hexyl Cinnamal, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, 2-Oleamido-1,3-Octadecanediol, Hibiscus Esculentus / Hibiscus Esculentus Seed Extract, Coumarin, Citrus Aurantium Dulcis Oil / Orange Peel Oil, Limonene, Bht.
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