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Old 09-15-2013, 08:06 AM   #1
 
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Default Cowash, rinse, condition?

I cowash daily in the morning during my shower. I wash with conditioner, rinse, reapply conditioner, and leave it in during my shower. The whole routine takes 15 minutes.

Do I really need to be rinsing in between and using more conditioner? It seems it would be important to remove the dirt dislodged by washing right away, but is it that bad for it to sit on the hair for only 10 more minutes?

I hate to use double the conditioner if it's not necessary, but I want to do what's healthiest for my hair. Thanks!

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If you hair is fine with what you are doing there is no need to use more conditioner.
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Your co-wash step is intended to gently cleanse, don't think of it as a conditioner think of it as your shampoo substitute. I often skip rinse out conditioner, just co-wash then piles of leave in, that is more to limit water use than anything (colour preservation).
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Old 09-15-2013, 03:15 PM   #4
 
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Yes, you really ought to rinse all of your co-wash conditioner out, then apply a rinse out/leave in conditioner. I always use a cheap conditioner, such as VO5 for 79˘ a bottle, for co-washing, and it probably takes me at least two months or so to go through a bottle (doing multi-day hair), but I skip around a bit between which ones I use, and low-poo on rare occasions also, so it's hard to say exactly how long the bottles last. I confess that I do sometimes detangle with that conditioner also, but always rinse it out completely, then apply a better quality conditioner for conditioning. Because I do the sprinkle or baptismal rinse, I don't add more conditioner back in after that, so I save conditioner there.
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Old 09-15-2013, 04:00 PM   #5
 
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I condition wash, rinse, add gel. I don't do the extra step of adding more conditioner. I also don't use a leave-in except in the winter sometimes, when I'll add a bit of conditioner or Ojon to the ends.
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I generally don't use a rinse out conditioner unless I feel like my hair needs it, and even then I don't rinse it out all the way. But yes, I think you should rinse out your washing conditioner just as you would shampoo, to make sure that dirt and debris is thoroughly washed out.
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Old 09-16-2013, 07:59 AM   #7
 
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Washing it out makes sense to me, since cowash is really a replacement for shampoo. I like the idea of using a cheaper conditioner for cowash, as long as it's doing the job of cleaning the hair. I can use my higher-quality conditioner to do the job of conditioning.

Would washing with a vinegar solution daily be too often, or is that meant for only occasional use?

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Washing with a vinegar solution is not part of the Curly Girl method, if that's what you're trying to follow.

As far as I know, vinegar does not have any cleansing properties. Vinegar rinses have traditionally been used to close the hair cuticle by lowering the pH of your hair after washing it with any form of soap, which is alkaline, and leaves the hair cuticle open, making hair more liable to damage.

I know that you can get much of the information about Curly Girling here on NaturallyCurly.com's Curl Talk boards, but there are also a lot of non-CG ideas which float around, as well as some misinformation, and it can be hard to tell which is which without reading the book. Also, the book presents the information in an organized way, has very good illustrations, and great video segments on the included DVD, and I recommend it highly to anyone who wants to follow the method.
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i do a rinse out after i cowash because my hair gets super tangled when wet.
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Old 09-19-2013, 06:13 AM   #10
 
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Morgan, yes, I have read the book several times. I've owned it since it originally came out. I borrowed the new version from the library, but the DVD was missing so I didn't get to see it. Honestly, I'm just trying to do what works and what's healthiest for my hair, while following my budget. It doesn't matter to me if it's "strict CG" or not.

Hmm...I wonder why vinegar is touted as one of the best household cleansers if it doesn't have cleansing properties? How is it that it can remove hard water deposits, minerals, lime, etc. from coffeemakers and shower heads? It seems logical that it would be able to do the same thing for hair if used properly. Just curious.

My real question was whether or not to rinse out the cowash. The vinegar idea came up just because I was trying to think of an inexpensive cleanser for my hair, since the consensus seems to be that cowash should be treated differently from conditioner. Thanks for your help, everyone!

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I always rinse out my cowash really well, then use a separate rich conditioner. However, I rarely use a LI, so I feel the extra conditioner step is needed. On days when I'm in a rush, I'll sometimes skip the conditioner step, but use a richer product to cowash, if that makes sense. But in general I have better luck when I use two separate steps.
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I have been using vinegar rinses to clarify my hair once or twice a month for almost 40 years. I wouldn't use it more than once a week or so, and not every day for sure.
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Hmm...I wonder why vinegar is touted as one of the best household cleansers if it doesn't have cleansing properties? How is it that it can remove hard water deposits, minerals, lime, etc. from coffeemakers and shower heads? It seems logical that it would be able to do the same thing for hair if used properly. Just curious.
Vinegar isn't one of the best household cleansers. It is used for the specific task of dissolving mineral deposits from hard water, i.e., it's used as a solvent. A cheap conditioner which contains EDTA, used as a co-wash will also remove any mineral deposits from your hair. (If any of the VO5 Herbal Escapes or Moisture Milks conditioners or of the Suave Naturals conditioners don't contain EDTA, I haven't seen them.) You wash your hair to remove more than just mineral deposits, though, and it's the surfactants (also in the conditioners) which are what will accomplish that.

The point of completely rinsing the co-wash conditioner out is to make sure that you're getting rid of everything it has helped dissolve from your hair, so it doesn't get redeposited there.

I don't spend a great deal on rinse out / leave in conditioners, the ones I use are well under $10, aside from a bottle of One Condition I'm slowly using up. Trader Joe's conditioners work well for this. Some people like TRESsemmé Naturals. Shea Moisture Restorative Conditioner is another popular one. Nature's Gate has some good, and very reasonably priced RO quality conditioners. My hair's down past my shoulders when dry, and I use about a walnut sized amount as my RO / LI (because I do the baptismal rinse, I don't need to add more back in). As the seasons change, you're going to find that you need more conditioning, and a lighter touch with your styler(s).
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Old 09-20-2013, 06:28 AM   #14
 
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Thank you for the great insights about vinegar! I recently read a book about nontoxic cleaning, and the author recommends vinegar for everything, but apparently she doesn't know it all! Come to think of it, some other info in her book was completely wrong, so she doesn't seem to be a very good source.

I appreciate everyone's suggestions for inexpensive cowashes that contain good ingredients. I'll give some of them a try, and I can continue using the conditioner I've been using and am happy with to condition. I'm glad to know it's best to go ahead and rinse after cowashing, and condition as a separate step. Following your advice, the health of my hair is going to improve even more!

You all are so kind and knowledgeable!

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Hmm...I wonder why vinegar is touted as one of the best household cleansers if it doesn't have cleansing properties? How is it that it can remove hard water deposits, minerals, lime, etc. from coffeemakers and shower heads? It seems logical that it would be able to do the same thing for hair if used properly. Just curious.

My real question was whether or not to rinse out the cowash. The vinegar idea came up just because I was trying to think of an inexpensive cleanser for my hair, since the consensus seems to be that cowash should be treated differently from conditioner. Thanks for your help, everyone!

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There is a big difference between cleaning dirt, oil or product build up (acting as an emulsifier or surfactant) and removing hard water deposits (chelating, descaling). Completely different reaction/ process.

We don't wash a filthy oven or greasy roasting pan with acidic vinegar, we use either an alkaline agent (baking soda, lye) which saponifies the lipids or a surfactant which forms micelles.

Calcium carbonate ('limescale') is alkaline that is why it is in pharmacy antacids for heartburn and indigestion. Vinegar is acidic so the fizzing you see when descaling is a chemical reaction.
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Thank you for educating me about vinegar and for excusing my ignorance! I appreciate it.

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