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Old 09-17-2013, 09:38 PM   #1
 
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I just moved to a new neighborhood in my city and I have notice that the water I shower with makes my hair feel really dingy. I don't use cones and I only use sulphates to clarify.
My hair is flat, mushy, and lifeless. It feels dirty all the time. The only thing that helped was washing with a clarifying shampoo ( with sls) and following up with the Shea moisture anti breakage deep treatment. I had great hair for a couple days till I cowashed it. I tried a low poo instead of cowashing today and it was even worse!
I don't know how to tackle this problem. I welcome the moisture and softness but my hair looks gross all the time bye and it's too short to pull back.
Anyone have/had this issue ? Please help me out :/
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Old 09-17-2013, 10:30 PM   #2
 
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I don't know why you have these problems. But a prote´n treatment might help? Did you chanced something else, except your other neigborhood?
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Old 09-18-2013, 05:51 AM   #3
 
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I just moved to a new neighborhood in my city and I have notice that the water I shower with makes my hair feel really dingy. I don't use cones and I only use sulphates to clarify.
My hair is flat, mushy, and lifeless. It feels dirty all the time. The only thing that helped was washing with a clarifying shampoo ( with sls) and following up with the Shea moisture anti breakage deep treatment. I had great hair for a couple days till I cowashed it. I tried a low poo instead of cowashing today and it was even worse!
I don't know how to tackle this problem. I welcome the moisture and softness but my hair looks gross all the time bye and it's too short to pull back.
Anyone have/had this issue ? Please help me out :/
What products are you using? Maybe your cleansers are too conditioning? Agree do you need to do a protein treatment?
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I keep trying to switch it up. I used Natures Gate Volumizing shampoo and conditioner and some days I use the L'oreal evercurl cleansing conditioner.
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I keep trying to switch it up. I used Natures Gate Volumizing shampoo and conditioner and some days I use the L'oreal evercurl cleansing conditioner.
Natures Gate conditioner second ingredient is glycerin, there is also glycerin in both the Evercurl and NG shampoo, maybe that is too much 'moisturising' for your hair at present?

Harder water can give hair a little roughness or texture, even a dry or damaged feeling tho this goes away if the hair is clarified so it's not true dryness/ damage. I wonder if you have been counteracting that with a ton of depositing conditioning agents - the glycerin, natural oils, protein and panthenol in your products - and you just don't need that now.
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Old 09-19-2013, 06:33 AM   #6
 
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maybe you need to chelate to get the remainder of the hard water buildup (from your old neighborhood) out of your hair?
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I feel your pain. We installed a water softener about 6 months ago and my hair hasn't been quite the same. My hair is very fine and thin and I noticed when we went on vacation recently that it had lots of body and texture - I was loving how it looked. The water at the various places we stayed wasn't nearly as soft as what it is at home.

There is another thread somewhere on the forums (not in the general section,might have been the curly 3) where someone else is going through the same thing. She did a clarifying wash and said it helped her a lot. I think I will be doing one today, as well....it's been quite a while since I've clarified.

I've wondered if the problem is more a ph balance thing or is it that my hair really benefited from the extra minerals of the hard water? And if it was the minerals, how can I re-create that? I've even considered filling up a bottle with my outside, unsoftened water to use as a final rinse in the shower. I'd love for some of the more knowledgeable curlies on this site to guide us!
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I feel your pain. We installed a water softener about 6 months ago and my hair hasn't been quite the same. My hair is very fine and thin and I noticed when we went on vacation recently that it had lots of body and texture - I was loving how it looked. The water at the various places we stayed wasn't nearly as soft as what it is at home.

There is another thread somewhere on the forums (not in the general section,might have been the curly 3) where someone else is going through the same thing. She did a clarifying wash and said it helped her a lot. I think I will be doing one today, as well....it's been quite a while since I've clarified.

I've wondered if the problem is more a ph balance thing or is it that my hair really benefited from the extra minerals of the hard water? And if it was the minerals, how can I re-create that? I've even considered filling up a bottle with my outside, unsoftened water to use as a final rinse in the shower. I'd love for some of the more knowledgeable curlies on this site to guide us!
Salt spray or other product containing magnesium sulphate (epsom salts) or sodium chloride (table salt).
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Old 09-19-2013, 08:06 AM   #9
 
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I feel your pain. We installed a water softener about 6 months ago and my hair hasn't been quite the same. My hair is very fine and thin and I noticed when we went on vacation recently that it had lots of body and texture - I was loving how it looked. The water at the various places we stayed wasn't nearly as soft as what it is at home.

There is another thread somewhere on the forums (not in the general section,might have been the curly 3) where someone else is going through the same thing. She did a clarifying wash and said it helped her a lot. I think I will be doing one today, as well....it's been quite a while since I've clarified.

I've wondered if the problem is more a ph balance thing or is it that my hair really benefited from the extra minerals of the hard water? And if it was the minerals, how can I re-create that? I've even considered filling up a bottle with my outside, unsoftened water to use as a final rinse in the shower. I'd love for some of the more knowledgeable curlies on this site to guide us!
Salt spray or other product containing magnesium sulphate (epsom salts) or sodium chloride (table salt).
Thanks for the feedback! I'll try that again - tried before the water softener and didn't like what it did for my hair. Same as re:coil where it seems to separate my curls (definitely looking for clumping for my hair). I did try the re:coil after the water softener with the same thoughts as you, but it still gave me the same results. But, maybe just straight up Epsom salts, sea salt, etc. I wonder if my hair liked the calcium, even though people talk about it making your hair break.
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Old 09-19-2013, 01:51 PM   #10
 
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My hair didn't care for the softened water at our vacation home. I always thought it was the "salts" that we add to the softener to work. I think it takes getting used to it.

One of the things that helps is air drying. I have a cheap dryer down there and my hair didn't like it, at all. Handling it less (and gently) really helps.
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Old 09-21-2013, 12:16 AM   #11
 
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Wow wonderful advice ! I appreciate it ladies <3
Update : I Clarified my hair with a shampoo that is supposed to remove mineral deposits and product build up. It then followed up with a protein masque. I was curious to find out if my leave ins were the problem. So, I did not put ANY. Product in my hair. Just was, pt, and air dry. Normally my hair would be dry and frizzy. Well my hair was SUPER flat, the waves were hardly there, and it still felt coated. Like I used silicones.
I threw a headband on and went to work with it looking like crap.
Today I decided to not wash it in the shower. I used my baptiste dry shampoo and straightened it since my waves were lacking. The dry shampoo gave me volume more texturized hair.
All the shampoos bag conditioners I have in my bathroom contain glycerin. It's frustrating because I don't want to use more money to buy a different one.
I bought the Got2B Fat-tastic mousse so I'm gonna to give that a whirl tomorrow.
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Old 09-21-2013, 12:18 AM   #12
 
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Wow so I posted a rather lengthily update on how my hair was doing and what I tried. Buttt.... None of that posted ( GRRR > ) so I will post my experiment tomorrow when I have not taken melatonin. Lol
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I'm having the same issues! I live in MN and I just started attending SCSU and their water is killing my beautiful hair!! I use baking soda to wash and a little bit on apple cider vinegar to condition my ends. After every shower my hair looks and feels like it hasn't been washed in weeks. It super greasy and filmy. The only times I've been able to wear my hair down (it's mid-back length) is when I'm back from a trip home and washed my hair there.
I was reading up about the 'horrors of hard water' but St. Cloud and my home in Minneapolis are in the "extremely hard" range so it's something the college is putting in or omitting. Either way it's horrible and I need to find a fix.
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So yesterday I clarified and followed with a PT. I let it air dry and I did not put any products in after.
My hair was FLAAAATTT ! The wave was almost nonexistent and it still felt dirty.
I'm so frustrated at this point.
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I do think my hair adjusted a little bit after a couple of weeks. It still doesn't seem to be what it was, but I know that flat, filmy thing you're talking about and I don't feel like that's happening anymore. So, maybe just give it a week or two? One thing I did notice is that I used to never water wash before and now I can do that occasionally with soft water. Also, the cheapy V05 Kiwi Lime conditioner works well for me as a co-wash. And, every three or four days, I low-poo.

Hopefully, your hair will adjust. I would also keep with the PTs. You'll know when you need to back off.
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It almost feels like I have to use super harsh clarifying products or put dry shampoo on my already washed hair all the time.
I've always had dry hair, but now it's the opposite problem and I hate to go buy products that might not work.
My hair was slightly improved today. I washed with Gud Grapefruit and conditioned with my TN . I put in my new Got2B Fat-Tastic mousse and some seasalt spray. I diffused on nedulium heat till dry.
Curl pattern was awesome. Still kinda filmy and sticky but I may have used too much mousse. Tomorrow I'm going to try using a smaller amount.
Hopefully this gets better. It's been almost 3 weeks of this crap. I can't even throw my hair in a bun because it's short and asymmetrical.
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Old 09-23-2013, 10:40 AM   #17
 
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Yesterday I went out and bought Neutrogena anti-residue formula shampoo and Curls coconut curlada. My isn't completely back to its wavy, wannabe-ringlet self, but it's WAY closer. The Neutrogena worked great, especially for only being $4 at Target. The Curls is good, but I think it may be just a little bit too heavy for my hair so I'll need to use it a little more judiciously. If you are still having issues I would definitely recommend the Neutrogena and then look around for a conditioner formulated for curly hair and pick the ones that looks right for you.
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Hmm my roommate has the that shampoo. Maybe I can use some and see if that helps.
I think I will need new products that are more cleansing . My hair needs less moisture now. I'm thinking of trying the U R Curly line.
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My hair loves naturally soft or softened water. Less poo, less conditioner, and I used gel. I would do a conditioner rinse daily and apply gel and never had any hair condition problems. I have had hard water for last 5 to 6 yrs and that is another story; more poo, more conditioner, clarifying.
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Sometimes I feel like I don't need conditioner. But my hair is still tangly without it. Even though it's very soft and mushy.
Maybe my hair will learn to love soft water.
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