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Old 09-21-2013, 11:14 AM   #1
 
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Question Conditioner questions, lots of them.

I have read & re-read all of the newbie section & am now feeling more confused. Not sure where to start so I will dive right in. Sorry if this is rambly.

I am supposed to have 4 conditioners: cowash, rinse out, leave in, & deep treatment? Is there some products that can do double duty? Which "duties" are better to combine, if any?

My hair can get greasy looking pretty fast, but it feels dry. I am afraid with 4 conditioners I will look too greasy. How best do you strike a balance?

I just got this, what would be the best use? Rinse out?
Hugo & Debra Naturals : products : single-product : Smoothing & Defining Conditioner - Coconut

What do I look for in a cowash? What should I avoid? I see many of you like vo5, but I am really trying to move toward more natural products.

The rinse out seems like a straightforward idea. Would the Hugo product be good for that? That was my plan, but stop me if I am way off.

When it comes to a leave in, I am at a total loss. I am afraid that a leave in plus styling product will leave me looking greasy & weighed down. In the past, styling products alone have done that to me. Hit me with your best tips & ideas.

The Hugo conditioner is to replace this. I hated the way it made my hair feel and not CG friendly. I am going to use it as shaving cream, but could I use it as a deep conditioner as well? I don't plan to repurchase. What should I look for, ingredient wise, in a deep treatment & how often should I do it? http://www.aubrey-organics.com/ProductInfo/901.aspx


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Old 09-21-2013, 02:30 PM   #2
 
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Cowash is usually a cheap conditioner that you can use a lot of and not feel that you are wasting it. The important thing is to really scrub your scalp with finger tips, so that you clean it. You can use a more expensive, natural product if you want.

Rinse out is just that. The one you linked should be fine. The AOIN was always considered CG--they originally called a certain combination of their ingredients a base. It's since relabeling, that everyone is finding out about the denatured alcohol in the product.

A product is anything you want it to be, because the manufacturer can call it whatever they want to call it. For many, the leave in conditioner is lighter then the rinse out. I use products that provide moisture, and therefore curl, as my leave in and curl enhancer.

DT is usually a VERY rich product, that you keep on for a long time, to provide your hair with moisture. It's not a styling product. My hair doesn't need more moisture, so I do use minute amounts of some DTs (when the dewpoints are REALLY low) as my leave in.

So, you might use four conditioners in one day, but they wouldn't all stay on your hair at the same time. HTH.
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I have read & re-read all of the newbie section & am now feeling more confused. Not sure where to start so I will dive right in. Sorry if this is rambly.

I am supposed to have 4 conditioners: cowash, rinse out, leave in, & deep treatment? Is there some products that can do double duty? Which "duties" are better to combine, if any?

My hair can get greasy looking pretty fast, but it feels dry. I am afraid with 4 conditioners I will look too greasy. How best do you strike a balance?

I just got this, what would be the best use? Rinse out?
Hugo & Debra Naturals : products : single-product : Smoothing & Defining Conditioner - Coconut

What do I look for in a cowash? What should I avoid? I see many of you like vo5, but I am really trying to move toward more natural products.

The rinse out seems like a straightforward idea. Would the Hugo product be good for that? That was my plan, but stop me if I am way off.

When it comes to a leave in, I am at a total loss. I am afraid that a leave in plus styling product will leave me looking greasy & weighed down. In the past, styling products alone have done that to me. Hit me with your best tips & ideas.

The Hugo conditioner is to replace this. I hated the way it made my hair feel and not CG friendly. I am going to use it as shaving cream, but could I use it as a deep conditioner as well? I don't plan to repurchase. What should I look for, ingredient wise, in a deep treatment & how often should I do it? Island Naturals Replenishing Conditioner 11oz


If you made it to the end, thank you. I appreciate all of your tips and help!
I can't answer all your questions, but I can answer some. You don't have to have four conditioners Personally, I have 2. I use one for everything, and I use one for a deep treatment or the rinse out if my hair is feeling dry or if I feel like it needs it.
My one I use for everything is Suave Naturals. I don't use the coconut scent because I can't use it as a leave it. Protein overload. My deep treatment and rinse out when I need it is Tresemme Naturals Radiant Volume. I know you said you wanted to go natural, but I'm not sure how natural you want to go. I find the suave naturals is very light and doesn't weight down my hair (very easy to do).

My general routine is to cowash with the suave naturals mixed with a couple drops of tea tree oil, condition with either suave naturals or tresemme naturals (with coconut oil on some days), if I'm shaving I'll put a shower cap on to let the heat help it penetrate, do my shower thing, rinse out the conditioners. After that I rake my leave in through and then rake in a gel (I use Aussie Instant Freeze. Excellent gel and it doesn't weigh me down). I then use the super soaker method to promote clumps. Then I plop and air dry.

If it's CG approved, you can use it for anything. You could have one conditioner for all 4 things you can do with it! If that Hugo one is what works for you, go for it! I tend to use a TON of conditioner for my cowash so I prefer the cheap stuff so I don't feel guilty about using a bunch.

To start, use very little leave in and styling product. Only a little shouldn't leave you greasy and you can always add more if you need it. It's all about finding that balance.

Here's one thing I found early on: Don't use a super rich conditioner for your leave in. That made me overconditioned in just a couple uses. I had to switch to something lighter.
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Old 09-21-2013, 05:07 PM   #4
 
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If your hair is dry and greasy at the same time, you definitely need some moisture! Since your hair is dry, your sebaceous glands are on double duty to get that hair moisturized with sebum... this is where the greasy feeling comes in. It's the same with the face - if your face is dry and oily, you need moisturizer to balance the oils. By using a conditioner, you are telling your glands, hey.. you don't need to produce so much oil, I've got this! It seems counter-intuitive, but that's how the body works.

As another poster mentioned, you can use as many or as little products as you want. Depending on the weather and what your hair needs. You may or may not need protein, but you can get that in your rinse out. Your rinse out can also act as your leave in. Or you could get one conditioner for everything. You can add your own kitchen oils to your base conditioner to use a deep treatment, so that's not really a necessity to purchase, unless you want to.
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To help with dryness try massaging your scalp. It will stimulate your natural oil in your scalp. To help dryness add oils (jojoba,coconut or olive) to your DC plus heat for maybe 30 minutes. Let your hair cool then add a cheapie conditioner that you have cooled or added cold water to. This will help close the cuticle of your hair and hold in the moisture you got from your DC. Cowashing can help add moisture but it has to be sealed in. Do you seal?

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Old 09-21-2013, 06:04 PM   #6
 
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To help with dryness try massaging your scalp. It will stimulate your natural oil in your scalp. To help dryness add oils (jojoba,coconut or olive) to your DC plus heat for maybe 30 minutes. Let your hair cool then add a cheapie conditioner that you have cooled or added cold water to. This will help close the cuticle of your hair and hold in the moisture you got from your DC. Cowashing can help add moisture but it has to be sealed in. Do you seal?

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To help with dryness try massaging your scalp. It will stimulate your natural oil in your scalp. To help dryness add oils (jojoba,coconut or olive) to your DC plus heat for maybe 30 minutes. Let your hair cool then add a cheapie conditioner that you have cooled or added cold water to. This will help close the cuticle of your hair and hold in the moisture you got from your DC. Cowashing can help add moisture but it has to be sealed in. Do you seal?

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Old 09-21-2013, 06:11 PM   #8
 
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To help with dryness try massaging your scalp. It will stimulate your natural oil in your scalp. To help dryness add oils (jojoba,coconut or olive) to your DC plus heat for maybe 30 minutes. Let your hair cool then add a cheapie conditioner that you have cooled or added cold water to. This will help close the cuticle of your hair and hold in the moisture you got from your DC. Cowashing can help add moisture but it has to be sealed in. Do you seal?

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Old 09-21-2013, 08:04 PM   #9
 
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You can make your own DT by using whatever conditioner you have around and adding whatever your hair likes--oil, aloe, honey, bananas, molasses, etc. I almost never do DTs because I just don't get around to them, but I do moisturizing/conditioning/protein as part of my regular routine so have less need for DT. I think it's better to start out simply and then add products if you need to. Something to wash with, then something to rinse out/leave in, and build from there. You don't even have to use a rinse out if you don't want to. Some people just wash and then use a leave in.
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Old 09-22-2013, 05:14 AM   #10
 
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Back when I was first starting, if my hair felt dry and looked greasy at the same time, it was usually an ingredient, or product, that my hair didn't like. For me, it was castor and mineral oil. Carol's Daughter hair milk also did that to my hair.
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