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Old 09-21-2013, 08:55 PM   #1
 
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Default Help with curl type, please. And product suggestions?

Could use a little help figuring out what you think my curl is? I am guessing 2C or 3a, but not 100% sure.

This is actually the best it's looked in ages. This is after clarifying shampoo, using the new conditioner I bought (in my signature) for co-washing with, using a leave in conditioner and I think I used too much mouse, whoops. Looks too crunchy.

Any suggestions how I can get softer curls? When I don't use the mouse, I usually end up with too soft & frizzy hair. Not usually fond of gels, but, I'm willing to hear some good suggestions.

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2C/3A, I think (?), medium/high porosity, fine/medium density, just about shoulder length when natural.

New to co washing, trying Herbal Essences Hello Hydration Conditioner Orchid and Coconut Milk

Curls Unleashed leave in conditioner mixed with a bit of aloe vera gel

Usually like light mouse over gel, but, trying to find a better product so I don't look as crunchy

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Old 09-22-2013, 01:23 AM   #2
 
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This is gorgeous. I'd say 2c 3a. So shiny!!


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Old 09-22-2013, 11:34 AM   #3
 
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Thanks so much

I think it looks too crunchy. So I gently scrunched it, even though it was mostly dry, and it seemed to help quite a lot actually. I was pretty pleased with it after I did that.

Thank you again!
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2C/3A, I think (?), medium/high porosity, fine/medium density, just about shoulder length when natural.

New to co washing, trying Herbal Essences Hello Hydration Conditioner Orchid and Coconut Milk

Curls Unleashed leave in conditioner mixed with a bit of aloe vera gel

Usually like light mouse over gel, but, trying to find a better product so I don't look as crunchy

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Old 09-23-2013, 02:53 AM   #4
 
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I think you're right on the money about there being too much mousse. My instinct tells me your hair will look more pretty, more natural, and probably a little less curly without all that excess product, which - and I swear I'm not trying to make you feel bad, only help out - just looks oily toward the top and comparatively dry toward the bottom to me. Maybe you can experiment with your curls using less mousse. You could also try a conditioner with high protein content. One possibility is experimenting with Kenra products.

I do like your hair, just not that product-y look
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Old 09-23-2013, 07:18 PM   #5
 
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Thanks for the tips, Korkscrew! My hair is dryer as you get closer to the tips from dying it. Trying to repair the beast lol.

I used much less product today and it turned out really great for the first time in ages. I'm really so glad I found this site, my hair actually looks much more the way it should!

Thanks again for the tips & advice!
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2C/3A, I think (?), medium/high porosity, fine/medium density, just about shoulder length when natural.

New to co washing, trying Herbal Essences Hello Hydration Conditioner Orchid and Coconut Milk

Curls Unleashed leave in conditioner mixed with a bit of aloe vera gel

Usually like light mouse over gel, but, trying to find a better product so I don't look as crunchy

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Old 09-23-2013, 07:19 PM   #6
 
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Also, to help "de crunch" and make it look less producty, I just gently scrunched it with my hands a while after I had my husband take this picture. I was a bit afraid to as it was just barely damp, but it helped a lot.

Less mouse certainly helped though but now I know what to do if I screw up again.
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2C/3A, I think (?), medium/high porosity, fine/medium density, just about shoulder length when natural.

New to co washing, trying Herbal Essences Hello Hydration Conditioner Orchid and Coconut Milk

Curls Unleashed leave in conditioner mixed with a bit of aloe vera gel

Usually like light mouse over gel, but, trying to find a better product so I don't look as crunchy

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Old 09-24-2013, 02:54 AM   #7
 
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That's great! This whole naturally curly thing requires some personal experimentation. "Scrunching out the crunch" is what you just described, to help make hair look less crunchy after adding styling product Sounds like you're well on your way Enjoy that pretty hair of yours.
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Old 09-25-2013, 01:43 AM   #8
 
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That's great! This whole naturally curly thing requires some personal experimentation. "Scrunching out the crunch" is what you just described, to help make hair look less crunchy after adding styling product Sounds like you're well on your way Enjoy that pretty hair of yours.
Korkscrew, you are on point as usual. When I first started going curly (by choice) as an adult I thought I needed all these products and my hair needed all this attention. Then I became a "wash and go." Well, "co-wash and go." I pretty much just tousle and apple hairspray and the curls are doing their thing. I guess the "less is more" theory has some truth.

I can't say it enough but your curls are awesome.
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Old 09-25-2013, 06:39 AM   #9
 
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I would use more of a 'true' leave in conditioner to avoid crunchiness, by 'true' I mean rich in the major emollients (fatty alcohols and cationic surfactants) don't dilute those out with aloe vera.

I wouldn't class the Curls Unleashed as a 'true' conditioner, it's loaded with oils, butters and silicones so I suspect you will have to use the bare minimum to avoid greasiness or stickiness. Not sure if you are following the Curly Girl method but that leave in is not CG and not compatible with conditioner only washing at all.

For dye damaged hair proven beneficial ingredients include coconut oil, hydrolysed protein, ceramides, 18-MEA and panthenol.
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Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss ultimate volume, Inecto argan
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Old 09-25-2013, 04:37 PM   #10
 
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That's great! This whole naturally curly thing requires some personal experimentation. "Scrunching out the crunch" is what you just described, to help make hair look less crunchy after adding styling product Sounds like you're well on your way Enjoy that pretty hair of yours.
Korkscrew, you are on point as usual. When I first started going curly (by choice) as an adult I thought I needed all these products and my hair needed all this attention. Then I became a "wash and go." Well, "co-wash and go." I pretty much just tousle and apple hairspray and the curls are doing their thing. I guess the "less is more" theory has some truth.

I can't say it enough but your curls are awesome.
It's great to hear you've nailed down a consistent routine and I completely agree that often, more is less Thanks a lot for the compliment!
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My hair is a lot like yours and I've had pretty good luck with curl creams. Curl Junkie's Coffee Cocoa Curl Creme (CCCC) and Coffee Cocoa Curl Creme Light (CCCCL) have both worked for me either alone or under something with some hold.

My main advice, though, would be to really nail down your conditioner. If you can just find a great conditioner to use, everything else gets a little easier, for me at least, and wash-and-goes suddenly become possible.

Good luck!
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That's great! This whole naturally curly thing requires some personal experimentation. "Scrunching out the crunch" is what you just described, to help make hair look less crunchy after adding styling product Sounds like you're well on your way Enjoy that pretty hair of yours.
Korkscrew, you are on point as usual. When I first started going curly (by choice) as an adult I thought I needed all these products and my hair needed all this attention. Then I became a "wash and go." Well, "co-wash and go." I pretty much just tousle and apple hairspray and the curls are doing their thing. I guess the "less is more" theory has some truth.

I can't say it enough but your curls are awesome.
It's great to hear you've nailed down a consistent routine and I completely agree that often, more is less Thanks a lot for the compliment!

I was using the Garnier Fructis Curl enhancing gel but my hair felt too stiff. I have heard good things about the 3-in-1 moose sold at CVS. I hear that moose does not leave your hair stiff. I'll tell you one thing, I almost never use a brush any more. Just my purple pick.
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LOL ... Gotta love that signature purple pick Yeah I used mousse for years. Can't recall why I stopped. Once in a while I still use it, but not often. Herbal Essence - Curl Boosting Mousse is the one I recall using last. It does has a polyquat, so I wouldn't use it all the time for that reason alone. Haven't tried that GFC mousse you're talking about. If you use it, please let me (or us) know how it works for you.
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LOL ... Gotta love that signature purple pick Yeah I used mousse for years. Can't recall why I stopped. Once in a while I still use it, but not often. Herbal Essence - Curl Boosting Mousse is the one I recall using last. It does has a polyquat, so I wouldn't use it all the time for that reason alone. Haven't tried that GFC mousse you're talking about. If you use it, please let me (or us) know how it works for you.
Oh, believe me, I love my purple pick I don't mind using moose as long as it does not stiffen my hair. The last time I got mine cut (almost six weeks ago), my stylist applied that kind of moose. I will definitely let you know the outcome after I buy it.
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Can anyone pls help me with ingrediens? I`m new in this and Im little confused. Is this CG friendly?

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Old 10-01-2013, 02:34 AM   #17
 
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Although quat-87 is considered water soluble, some folks have complained that it causes symptoms similar to silicone buildup. If that happens, an easy solution is to use a clarifying shampoo with coco betaine in it, or a chelating shampoo. (I consider it ideal to use "real" shampoo once in a while anyway, after years of co-washing caused intermittent build-up issues in the absence of any shampoo use.)

Also, I noticed propylene glycol is high on the ingredients list. Many products contain it, but some people are sensitive to it (causes scalp irritation/itching), especially when there's a relatively large amount in the formulation. Just something to watch.
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