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rapunzel4ever 10-22-2013 04:57 AM

HELP! Hair emergency!
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Well, I'm practically in tears right now. Don't know what to do.
Again, I'm in the shower and my hair gets completely tangled up in mushy waxy and dry frizz. I know I must have over-proteined my hair lately. But I thought I was on the right way back. Boy, was I wrong! This is how it looks right now:Attachment 39282
I clarified to make sure there's nothing else build-up on there. But I obviously! cannot even begin to detangle right now...
I'm (almost) ready to head for the scissors :'(

Jimipe 10-22-2013 06:46 AM

What I would suggest is to step out of the shower, get dress and put a towel or a bath robe over your shoulders. Grab a spray bottle and your conditioner and apply a lot of it to the tangled mess and slowly work it out, hair strand by hair strand from the bottom. This can be fixed, it just takes time and patience and a lot of conditioner. :)

(I've detangled 4 cm mini-dreads after wearing extensions that grew out a bit too far. Took A LONG TIME but it can be done. Just take it slow)

Aqua_Lily 10-22-2013 07:50 AM

Take your time! Don't go for the scissors yet!

Use the heaviest of the heaviest conditioner you have, and slowly start detangling. Start at the bottom of your hair and work your way up! This way there is less pressure on the hair. Also, do you happen to have Kinky Curly Knot Today? Whenever my tangles get so bad I get natural dreads, KCKT is the only thing that perfectly gets the tangles out.

sixelamy 10-22-2013 08:33 AM

In addition to what previous posters recommended, Try adding some coconut oil and honey to some conditioner for a DIY deep condition. If you're over-proteined, I'd even try to leave it on overnight, definitely focusing on your ends.

wavydaze 10-22-2013 08:48 AM

^I agree with the above ladies re: lots of conditioner and patience and detangling from the bottom up and KCKT if you have it.

I'm wondering if you're actually over-proteined though. "Mushy and waxy" doesn't sound like too much protein but overconditoned and/or buildup. My hair actually only gets tangly when it's overconditioned (it's also mushy/gummy then). Waxy generally means buildup... I'm not familiar with many of the products in your siggy so I can't give you any clues to what it can be. What did you use to clarify? I can't say for certain what is going on in your case, but hopefully adding a piece to the puzzle.

Anywhoo, right now just be patient, you'll get all the tangles out!

rapunzel4ever 10-22-2013 04:34 PM

Thanks for all your help, ladies! I was in a complete panic.. This is not the first time I step in the shower and got a complete frizzball of hair. I've used a lot of proteinrich stuff last summer. But my allready healthy hair doesn't seem to care for it much. It seals my hair completely off to anything moisturizing. Then all moisturizing thing just lay on it and won't penetrate at all. This is going on for a while now. It resulted in hairloss and me being in the shower detangling for hours..:'(

To resolve this mess today I made a DT from conditioner mixed with honey, AVG and some olive oil. Put that in my hair, showercap on and a hot towel on top. I left it for half an hour and then, very carefully, started detangling. And it worked! It took me a while, but the big frizzy clump came apart and I was able to get the knots out! Amazing.

Well, my next question is: how can I prevent this from happening EVER again?
Cause this has been a nightmare for me the past month. I am still afraid to get in the shower again, next time.

bringingcurliesback? 10-22-2013 04:42 PM

I would try sealing or perhaps braiding? I had this same problem and I used to get those dreads by the nape of your neck and it was horrid. My hair is cropped to jaw length and im loving it (shortest I've ever had- its always been LONG. I know you don't want to go that route haha.

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sixelamy 10-22-2013 10:18 PM

I would continue with the DTs if it's helping.... On each wash day. Also, I second a detangling product. Do you use a conditioner as a leave in?

Jimipe 10-22-2013 11:51 PM

I get these all the time... What I've realised is that I need to use leave in conditioner. That helps a lot. Even if I don't need to detangle the rest of my hair more than once a week, my nape-part needs it at least every third day to not go horribly bad. With leave in in, I can just pinapple the rest of my hair, use a spray bottle and then detangle smaller things. More issues equals some extra conditioner, but as this hair seems to be soaking everything up I usually don't need to rinse anyway.

Try to figure out how often you need to detangle, you might well find that you need to do it more often than the rest of the hair. This part rubbs against clothes etc and just due to the friction it is more likely to form tangles.

Lauraimes 10-23-2013 05:20 AM

My hair feels waxy and mushy and is frizzy when wet whenever I have used a polyquat. They build up like crazy on my hair which leads to sealing off my hair to everything I use. I cannot avoid sulfates when polyquats get in my hair because they're incredibly hard to remove.

CJ CCCL was a disaster for me because it has a polyquat in it. It's in your siggie so I figured I'd mention it.

Be aware though that not everyone hates polyquats, and not everyone hates all polyquats because it's a big group, and each individual polyquat has its own function. I avoid all of them as I've tried a great variety but it just doesn't work for me.

kathymack 10-23-2013 06:21 AM

You have the same properties that I have. I don't think your over proteined, either. I, too, feel that it's the polyquats. Polyquats coat my hair and prevent products from absorbing. Don't know what you used to clarify, but it may take a few sulfate washes to remove them. Read your ingredients carefully. Lots of shampoos have polyquat 7

IMHO, low porosity hair doesn't tangle as much as other hair because the cuticle is tight. Since it's your ends that are matting, it may be an indicator that you need a haircut.

rapunzel4ever 10-24-2013 02:02 AM

bringingcurliesback?, sealing is a good idea. That, or using a leave-in like some suggested, could help preventing all the tangles.
In the colder winter days I use coconut oil to seal and that always works. But for higher dews I need a good leave-in that doesnīt weigh my hair down. Iīve found it a difficult thing with fine and low poreus hair to find a good leave-in, so usually I just donīt use any cause it weighs my hair down.
What would you suggest I should use for a leave-in?

Although cutting it that short is indeed not an option, BCB?, Kathymack is right, I certainly do need one ;-) Itīs been six months since my last haircut. I hope to get it cut next week.

Thinking about Sixilamyīs idea to DT every washing day, I wonder if it be a good idea to pre-condition before every wash. To help get the tangles out. Anyone here ever used that method?

Iīm certainly going to try the detangling method that Jimipie describes! My nape hair is always a terrible dry and tangled mess, getting even worse in winter. I donīt have to wash my hair that often, but detangling in between washes, especially at the nape, is really neseccary.

Lauraimes & Kathymack, Iīve been watching my hairīs reaction after using polyquats very closely. It seems I have trouble with PQ-10 (and maybe with more PQīs) since that is in the CCCCL as well as in a low-poo that makes my hair a freakinī mess every time I use it. And reading my hair diary, I seem to get over-conditioned very quickly after using the CCCCL. So that definately has to go.
On the other hand I regularly use a conditioner (for multiple uses) with PQ-37 and that doesnīt seem to bother me at all. But Iīll be careful not to use that too often.

Jimipe 10-24-2013 02:53 AM

Look for a regular conditioner which is CG-approved but does not contain oils or butters? That way you get the moisture but without being so weighed down. :)

I'm currently trying to find a balance... It seems like most of my hair prefers a lighter leave in (currently using my protein rich Schwarzkoph Gliss Total Volume just because I have it around) while my more damages hair seems to want more oil and butters and loves my Garnier Respons Avocadoil & Sheabutter. :S

kathymack 10-24-2013 05:54 AM

While I do stay away from all polyquats, the ones that I know give me problems are 4, 7 and 10. It may be that you want to target those. If you still have issues, then stay away from all of them.

Not sure what BCB means. Something you may want to try to do is get more frequent trims. Maybe do a few inches to get rid of the worst of the tangles and then go every two or three months and take off an inch, or so. That might help keep the ends from tangling.

sixelamy 10-24-2013 07:24 AM

A lot of people do a coconut oil pre-poo. I've been soaking my hair overnight in coconut oil before I low poo in the morning. I like it, especially since the dew points are getting really low here.

Tresemme Natural I find to be light, and it's great at detangling. A trim would definitely help you out. CJ Repair Me is also excellent if you haven't tried that out already.

I too have problem with polyquats and took me 2 sulfate washes to get it out. That stuff is gross.

Trick 10-24-2013 07:30 AM

My hair does this with polyquats, too! It's a horrible feeling -- I remember thinking there was no way my hair would ever get back to normal, I was sure it was wrecked!

I have no advice other than to avoid the 'quats, sorry.

rapunzel4ever 10-27-2013 05:42 AM

Kathymack, with BCB I meant BringingCurliesBack :flower:

Well, I am very glad to say that I think Iīve resolved my hair problems with ALL of YOUR advise!

In between washes I detangled my nape hairs, and that was really necessairy.
I pre-conditioned my hair before washing with Beauticurls LI. Before washing I detangled my hair with some KC Tiny Twirls. I donīt have KCKT,but this is itīs babysister. I bought this for my daughter and it has the same ingredients as the Knot Today. So I gave it a try. It worked without all the hairloss I had recently. Me happy.
I found a very good, all natural, low-poo (Urtekram Aloe Vera) last week. I used it to get the rest of the build-up out of my hair. My hair finally feels like hair again, for the first time in a months or so! For RO I used Aubrey Organics GPB (leave it in my hair for a couple of minutes before rinsing), to test if my hair is bothered by the proteins in it. But no, my hair feels soft and moisturized. The Tiny Twirls I used for LI.
Then I styled my hair with Pattern Pusha, a bit AVG for extra moisture, and a small amount of hold gel. Volume is back. It took a while for my hair to absorb all products (whole day), but my hair is fine right now. Soft, moisturized curls that are not weight down.

So, you were right. It was the polyquats that bothered me. To keep myself from using the CO with PQ ever again, I threw the rest of the bottle away. The CCCCL I wonīt ever use again either.
And I will go for a haircut this week.

Thanks for all your help!

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