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chupie 10-25-2013 03:49 PM

KCKT as leave in?
 
I love the detangling properties but I often see people say it's not a leave in but it is specifically described as such my the makers. What gives?

SweetSquatchii 10-25-2013 05:18 PM

I use it as a LI on some days. I think it works better with individuals with fine hair. It's light weight too so on the days it's really humid out I might use it. It just depends on what works best for your hair.

Nicolelioly 10-25-2013 05:34 PM

Its a leave in lol .....you can opt to not leave it in.....but it is still a leave in :) HTH

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chloe92us 10-25-2013 06:09 PM

I've been thinking about this lately. KCKT is said not to be a "true" conditioner because it doesn't have as many fatty alcohols, oils, or other emollients as most other conditioners do. Therefore, it's not very "moisturizing".

When you look at the ingredients, I believe the first few (in blue) are in a water infusion (this is just an assumption!) Marshmallow root is, however, a film-forming humectant. The next two ingredients are an emollient and a cationic conditioning agent.

Organic mango extract, organic slipper elm, organic marshmallow root, organic lemongrass, cetyl alcohol, *behentrimonium methosulfate, citric acid, phenoxyethanol and natural fragrance.

In my opinion, the definition of a conditioner is one that would beneficially affect the "feel" of your hair, right? By adding slip, and reducing friction, this product is useful for people like me who have kinks in their hair that tend to catch on surrounding hairs, either splitting up the clump, or causing frizz. KCKT, therefore, DOES condition my hair, In the way I need it to! I don't "need" additional moisture, what I need is SLIP. This is an excellent detangler, and prep for stylers. It is lightweight, and doesn't negatively effect the crunch factor of my gels because it does not have oils. This, for me, is a good thing.

If, however, you want a leave-in that is heavier on emollients because your hair tends to feel dry by the end of the day, etc, than this probably isn't the LI for you.

kathymack 10-25-2013 06:16 PM

I don't find it moisturizing enough for my fine/low porosity hair.

Starmie 10-25-2013 10:14 PM

I use it as a leave-in and like it just for that, my hair doesn't need a detangler.

Brigettelowe521 10-25-2013 11:12 PM

I use it as a leave in and I think it moisturizes my hair without weighing it down. I have fine hair and it works really well for me.

bliss611 10-26-2013 03:40 PM

When used as a LI, does it help prevent tangles? I have used KCKT as a detangler and remember it used to leave a filmy feel on my hair and it had me wondering if it can help prevent future tangling when left in.

Brigettelowe521 10-26-2013 03:45 PM

I haven't experienced the filmy thing. My hair is pretty wet when I apply it though (wet hair is key for me when applying all of my products) I make sure my hair is very damp and I comb it through. I don't ever have issues with tangles as long as I'm using a leave in. I used Paul Mitchell The Conditioner, It's a 10, & now KCKT and all have eliminated tangles.

Firefox7275 10-26-2013 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chupie (Post 2218556)
I love the detangling properties but I often see people say it's not a leave in but it is specifically described as such my the makers. What gives?

Cosmetics manufacturers make many claims about their products that cannot really be substantiated or don't match the ingredients, 'repair' is the classic.

I've certainly said I don't feel KCKT is a 'true' conditioner but more of a detangler, I've never said it's not suited to leaving in. Nor have I claimed it is or is not 'moisturising' - that word is invariably used incorrectly. KCKT contains no oils and little of the major emollients, a true conditioner should be rich in fatty alcohols and/ or cationic surfactants.

It's also pH 7 so is not 'resetting' the pH after shampooing which is a key role of a conditioner
THE NATURAL HAVEN: pH of Leave In Conditioners and Styling Aids

Also see
Science-y Hair Blog: Cationic Compounds in Cosmetics
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...isturizer.html
Hair Moisturizer vs. Emollients

CurlsNCrass 10-26-2013 10:03 PM

KCKT works for me, but not as a LI
 
I did not like KCKT when I first bought it. It was $13 for 8 ounces, it wasn't very moisturizing for me, and after all of the hype I have heard about it, I just was not impressed. This led to half a bottle sitting on my shelf for months.

Then I was looking into the LOC method of retaining moisture and I did not have a C so I used KCKT as my C instead of a regular butter or cream and I had AMAZING results. hair was soft and moisturized and did not need to be spritzed with water the next day. I also am liking KCKT as a part of my 2nd day hair refresh routine.

Bottom line: KCKT not so great as a LI by itself, but when repurposed, its can be fantastic.

Jessiebanana 10-26-2013 10:09 PM

It just didn't leave my hair looking all that wonderful...and it didn't have great slip, so for me it's more about it being a mediocre product, than the ingredients.

I wouldn't worry too much about whether something is a true conditioner. A leave-in, is something you choose to leave-in your hair that helps it maintain a better state. Some naturals use whipped shea butter and that's it and their hair looks great. Obviously shea isn't a conditioner.

Firefox7275 10-27-2013 06:04 AM

The problem is the term 'leave in' is being used to mean more than one thing and that is confusing for many.

In Curly Girl terms 'leave in' is shortform for leave in conditioner, by all means modify CG to suit your needs and use an oil or butter or detangler instead but then say so - oils or butters are sealers.

If we start using the term 'leave in' to mean anything that is not washed out then that is every true leave in conditioner, moisturiser, detangler, sealer, curl cream, gel or mousse. The term is then so broad as to be uninformative.

chupie 10-27-2013 09:42 AM

I don't understand why it would be called leave in right in the bottle if they didn't mean conditioner. Otherwise every styling thing is a leave in. Insure get confused.

kathymack 10-27-2013 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chupie (Post 2218966)
I don't understand why it would be called leave in right in the bottle if they didn't mean conditioner. Otherwise every styling thing is a leave in. Insure get confused.

Manufacturer can call a product anything they want. That's what makes it confusing. You can also use any product as whatever you want--as long as it works for you.

Firefox7275 10-27-2013 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by chupie (Post 2218966)
I don't understand why it would be called leave in right in the bottle if they didn't mean conditioner. Otherwise every styling thing is a leave in. Insure get confused.

Because presumably leave in conditioner is a phrase that helps sell products, and because KCKT are not a Deva/ CG brand so they don't have to follow the same naming system. To me KCKT is a leave in detangler.

I've seen plenty of products with the most nonsensical names and straplines, from wall-to-wall oils and butters that are allegedly 'moisturising' to basic conditioners that are allegedly 'repairing' (no protein or anything else noteworthy). Unless terms are regulated by law in the US/ EU advertisers will be economical with the truth.

KiraSavannah 10-27-2013 02:34 PM

It depends are you calling it a leave in moisturizer or leave in conditioner. A moisturizer would have water as the first ingredient usually, and a moisturizer would be high in fatty alcohols & emollients. I was debating on getting this or Shea moisture's version of this, and went for Shea moisture's because the first ingredient was water. I think i'll try kckt in the summer when I'm not looking for as much moisture. ps the shea moisture stuff is called 'Extra Moisture Detangler'

hambo02 10-27-2013 03:29 PM

I put this down for a while because it didnt mix well with my styler but the past two days ive been using just coconut oil as my styler and today i used knot today and it has a nice hold for me with coconut oil. winter time for me means weening off the stylers.

kathymack 10-27-2013 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessiebanana (Post 2218975)
I just don't get why it would be that confusing. I haven't read the book, so I'm not following all of it's terms like the gospel. I've always thought of leave-in to be everything you leave in except stylers. Stylers serving no other purpose than to effect the look of your hair :dontknow:.

Some people don't even use leave-ins, so I don't think this can be that big of a deal.

It's confusing because some people think there's truth in "advertising." If the label says it's a leave in, then it's a leave in. That isn't always the case.

chloe92us 10-27-2013 05:32 PM

Excellent article:

What is a Hair Conditioner?- Moisturizer vs Emollients | Curly Nikki | Natural Hair Styles and Natural Hair Care


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