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Old 10-30-2013, 07:09 PM   #1
 
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Unhappy HELP! with the CG and volume issues !

Hi Curlies , so all begins when I start with the CG in January , all good but I cant see the big changes as all the curlies talk about here , and then I look that my hair was straigh i almost die , Im 3A, low porosity, and in the crown and bottom now are 2C-B , Im really shocked , sad , and yes I cry a lot ....and for the worst now my hair is flat and when i said FLAT i mean it !!

Please someone help me I want my curls back and sometime to do with the volume issue , i tried so many times , clipping , styling upside down , scrunching NOTHING works , I always was in love of my hair but now sometimes just feel to giving up and straigh it

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What products are you using? Have you clarified?
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What products are you using? Have you clarified?
hi thanks for the reply : Im using a cream of nature free- sulphate argan oil shampoo and a hair milk for curly hai, thats the only 2 things that use i dont know , what difference makes the clarified action and no I dont since i start , but when i stop in July i use a sulphate shampoo , is the same ?
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Hi Curly Smiler,

For volume, have you also tried clipping your hair at the roots? If I don't do that, my hair gets really flat at the top.

Also, you could be using too much product, and it's weighing down your curls. What products were you using before you tried the CG method?

See these sites for how to clip:

MyDevaCurl | Calling All Curls

DevaCurl. Style Curly Hair with Deva Clipping - YouTube

Hope that helps!
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It doesnt sound like you are conditioning your hair very much. I would pick up a good conditioner and put the hair milk on top of that.
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The biggest difference for me re: volume is diffusing. I just can't get that kind of volume of I air-dry.

Since I have very fine hair, protein helps give me volume also, but may not be that helpful to you if you have coarse hair.

Hope this helps.
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Girl you need to clarify and deep condition! The sulfates can't clean up the silicones and buildup so everyone in a while you've gotta suds up!!
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There are a couple of things I wonder about that I'm not seeing. Is your hair fine, medium, or coarse? Also, what hair milk are you using? It isn't possible to recheck the product ingredients for you without knowing that.

Also, you should be cleansing, conditioning, and styling, and I'm not seeing any stylers in your routine, which could be a factor.
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Old 11-04-2013, 03:45 PM   #9
 
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Hi Curlies , so all begins when I start with the CG in January , all good but I cant see the big changes as all the curlies talk about here , and then I look that my hair was straigh i almost die , Im 3A, low porosity, and in the crown and bottom now are 2C-B , Im really shocked , sad , and yes I cry a lot ....and for the worst now my hair is flat and when i said FLAT i mean it !!

Please someone help me I want my curls back and sometime to do with the volume issue , i tried so many times , clipping , styling upside down , scrunching NOTHING works , I always was in love of my hair but now sometimes just feel to giving up and straigh it

Thank U so much



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I just made a YouTube video for lightweight and heavy products. My channel is Gigilajan. Also when your hair dries you can boost volume by separating the curls. My Hair Products - YouTube
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Old 11-06-2013, 02:32 PM   #10
 
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Hi Curly Smiler,

For volume, have you also tried clipping your hair at the roots? If I don't do that, my hair gets really flat at the top.

Also, you could be using too much product, and it's weighing down your curls. What products were you using before you tried the CG method?

See these sites for how to clip:

MyDevaCurl | Calling All Curls

DevaCurl. Style Curly Hair with Deva Clipping - YouTube

Hope that helps!
Hi !! LeanneM ,thanks for the reply , before the CG I was using a sulphate shampoo and the same hair milk that using now , I will totally check out the videos ,
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Old 11-06-2013, 02:35 PM   #11
 
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It doesnt sound like you are conditioning your hair very much. I would pick up a good conditioner and put the hair milk on top of that.
Hi , Really ? always that use conditioner ( and I tryied like 3 ,even the coconut form suave ) it makes my hair straigh , what U mean on put the hair milk on top , you said in the shower or just for styling ?

Thank U so much curly

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The biggest difference for me re: volume is diffusing. I just can't get that kind of volume of I air-dry.

Since I have very fine hair, protein helps give me volume also, but may not be that helpful to you if you have coarse hair.

Hope this helps.
Hi girl , thank U so much for always reply my threads

I wish that my mom buy me a diffusser, she is a straight lady (hair ) and she doesnt understand the volume issues that a curly have , I have low porosity hair , the protein is a good idea ?? I dont tink that I have coarse hair LOL always flatten with everything
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Girl you need to clarify and deep condition! The sulfates can't clean up the silicones and buildup so everyone in a while you've gotta suds up!!
Ohhh ! really ? Thnak u so much , I dont know that , here in my country only exist the suave claryfing shampoo is that good girl ??

And I have to claryfied once a month ?
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There are a couple of things I wonder about that I'm not seeing. Is your hair fine, medium, or coarse? Also, what hair milk are you using? It isn't possible to recheck the product ingredients for you without knowing that.

Also, you should be cleansing, conditioning, and styling, and I'm not seeing any stylers in your routine, which could be a factor.
Thnaks Morgan when I did the test reslts that I have Medium hair , but I dont think so because my hair flatten really really easy ; also I cleanse with a suplhate free shampoo , I dont condition because it makes my hair straigh and Im a little bit scare since the trainwreck from the CG and I do styling with a hair milk , What U think ? some conditioner that i could use , whats the difference to condition vs . not condition ?

Sorry for all the questions LOL ....Thanks
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I still think it matters what hair milk you're using. The most common reason for the problems you're reporting is buildup (which could also explain why CG was a trainwreck for you). I really thought my hair got weighed down by conditioner, and that gel was absolutely no help when my hair had buildup. It's really easy to miss things in ingredients lists, and it can help a lot to have another set of eyes read them.

The difference between conditioning and not conditioning is largely that your hair can't hold moisture well if you're not conditioning, and if it can't hold moisture, which is necessary for curls to form, it won't hold curl.
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It doesnt sound like you are conditioning your hair very much. I would pick up a good conditioner and put the hair milk on top of that.
Hi , Really ? always that use conditioner ( and I tryied like 3 ,even the coconut form suave ) it makes my hair straigh , what U mean on put the hair milk on top , you said in the shower or just for styling ?

Thank U so much curly
You previously said this, so this is what I am basing my response on.........

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hi thanks for the reply : Im using a cream of nature free- sulphate argan oil shampoo and a hair milk for curly hai, thats the only 2 things that use i dont know , what difference makes the clarified action and no I dont since i start , but when i stop in July i use a sulphate shampoo , is the same ?
I see no conditioner in that list. You need to use a leave in conditioner, especially if you are using some form of low poo. Have you done protein treatments? These perk up my curls like crazy. As for the hair milk on top, I mean use the hair milk after your leave in conditioner.. or skip it all together. Hair milks don't necessarily "condition" your hair.
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It doesnt sound like you are conditioning your hair very much. I would pick up a good conditioner and put the hair milk on top of that.
Hi , Really ? always that use conditioner ( and I tryied like 3 ,even the coconut form suave ) it makes my hair straigh , what U mean on put the hair milk on top , you said in the shower or just for styling ?

Thank U so much curly
You previously said this, so this is what I am basing my response on.........

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hi thanks for the reply : Im using a cream of nature free- sulphate argan oil shampoo and a hair milk for curly hai, thats the only 2 things that use i dont know , what difference makes the clarified action and no I dont since i start , but when i stop in July i use a sulphate shampoo , is the same ?
I see no conditioner in that list. You need to use a leave in conditioner, especially if you are using some form of low poo. Have you done protein treatments? These perk up my curls like crazy. As for the hair milk on top, I mean use the hair milk after your leave in conditioner.. or skip it all together. Hair milks don't necessarily "condition" your hair.
I totally get it now ! thank U so much , What recipes of protein treatments you know , Please ?? Im Low porosity it that matters , i mean its bad if i use protein ??

Thank U so ,much for your replies curly
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