My hair went flat - what happened??

I am new to this all, I've been trying new products and trying to figure out what my hair likes or doesn't like. I'd been getting some decent - not fabulous, but some okay curls - with new conditioners. Yesterday for the first time I tried the gelatin protein treatment (I have fine wavy hair). I also happened to use a new shampoo I just bought, L'Oreal EverCreme. My hair totally lost its curl! I had the straightest hair today that I have ever had. It was super soft and touchable... but NO curl! Oh my.

I read somewhere that sometimes this can happen to hair that doesn't like protein and that it needs moisture. So today I used a deep conditioner (GVP Conditioning Balm) on it, left it in for 10-15 minutes. Hair still seems pretty flat.

So I started thinking that maybe there's something in the EverCreme that's making my hair unhappy? (Yes I used it two days in a row... habit, oops). Or is it just that my hair needs to recover from the protein treatment??

I am so sad to see no curls.
2a-2c, fine, low porosity
Modified-CG newbie
I would try a different shampoo, if you can. That one has a drying alcohol, as well as it seems pretty heavy on oil. It may be drying out your hair and weighing it down a bit at the same time. Yes to Cucumbers has a really great sulfate free shampoo that a lot of people on here love, including myself.
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NP/LP: KMF Whenever Cond./ YTCucs, Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed DC / CJ Argan & Olive Oil, KCKT, YTBbs
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: SM Elixir / KCCC, SS CEJ
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
Ah ha! I didn't realize that. I wish I had known before I bought it, so many good reviews online. Other people have mentioned Yes to Cucumbers conditioner as well, think they would be a good combo to try?

The other one I was interested in trying was the SheaMoisture Coconut & Hibiscus shampoo & conditioner but now I'm worried that it might be too heavy for my hair.
2a-2c, fine, low porosity
Modified-CG newbie
My hair is fine/low porosity and never met a protein it didn't like, so I don't think protein is your issue. I rarely shampoo, so can't recommend anything there. My hair doesn't care for any of the products I've tried in the SM Coconut & Hibiscus line. My hair likes minute amounts of really rich products, but these are just too heavy (if you understand the difference.) They just sit on my hair, don't absorb and need to be washed out.

My hair didn't care for the GVP Conditioning Balm. I didn't find it moisturizing enough. Haven't used it in five or six years, so it's hard to remember. Plus, there have been just a FEW products since that time, LOL!
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
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CG since 3/11/08

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Thanks for reassuring me that it wasn't the protein!

Yeah, I think I know what you mean. Anything heavy makes me drab. I'll scratch that off my to-try list then.

Yeah I thought the conditioning balm would feel better than it did.
2a-2c, fine, low porosity
Modified-CG newbie
I have very fine hair as well... and it hates protein. Makes it very hard and stiff and it goes very straight, it's like it's so stiff it can't curl. I do have very weak curl.. not the pattern but the curl is "delicate" and can be weighed down or stretched out easily, does not spring back very well. I would think your conditioner/leave in would be more prone to be an issue since you are completely rinsing the shampoo out, unless it's stripping your hair... but I'm betting it's the protein since it was such an immediate reaction. I would suggest a deep moisture treatment, if that helps it's almost certainly the culprit. If so you could try a lighter application of protein, like a protein in your RO or leave in.
I have very fine hair as well... and it hates protein. Makes it very hard and stiff and it goes very straight, it's like it's so stiff it can't curl. I do have very weak curl.. not the pattern but the curl is "delicate" and can be weighed down or stretched out easily, does not spring back very well. I would think your conditioner/leave in would be more prone to be an issue since you are completely rinsing the shampoo out, unless it's stripping your hair... but I'm betting it's the protein since it was such an immediate reaction. I would suggest a deep moisture treatment, if that helps it's almost certainly the culprit. If so you could try a lighter application of protein, like a protein in your RO or leave in.
Originally Posted by waymire01
I've always been told that I have "fragile" curls. Anything "pulled" them out. Before coming onto nc.com, I never used products--just shampoo/conditioner. It's all about getting the protein/moisture balance correct. If you're not counterbalancing the protein with moisture, you can get a reaction (hard hair.)

Because I have low porosity hair, I feel that my rinse out conditioner doesn't stay on my hair long enough to really do a lot. I use a lot of really "rich" products as my stylers, It frequently takes my hair hours to absorb product(s) after it is dry. When I do a PT, I use the moisturizing ones, like CJ Repair Me. When the dewpoint is lower, I use a minute amount of a DT as my leave in (CK Curlycue ReNew, CJ Curl Rehab, etc.) Other then that, I don't need to DT. My hair is in such good conditioner, that the shampoo guy at the salon where I get my hair cut won't use conditioner on it! (he just doesn't "get" it)
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix and CCCC
I have very fine hair as well... and it hates protein. Makes it very hard and stiff and it goes very straight, it's like it's so stiff it can't curl. I do have very weak curl.. not the pattern but the curl is "delicate" and can be weighed down or stretched out easily, does not spring back very well. I would think your conditioner/leave in would be more prone to be an issue since you are completely rinsing the shampoo out, unless it's stripping your hair... but I'm betting it's the protein since it was such an immediate reaction. I would suggest a deep moisture treatment, if that helps it's almost certainly the culprit. If so you could try a lighter application of protein, like a protein in your RO or leave in.
Originally Posted by waymire01
That's what confuses me... my hair was super super soft. I loved the softness, just wanted the curl! I did let the GVP Conditioning Balm sit on my hair for a while the following day but didn't see a difference. Might not be the best conditioner for me though.

I've always been told that I have "fragile" curls. Anything "pulled" them out. Before coming onto nc.com, I never used products--just shampoo/conditioner. It's all about getting the protein/moisture balance correct. If you're not counterbalancing the protein with moisture, you can get a reaction (hard hair.)

Because I have low porosity hair, I feel that my rinse out conditioner doesn't stay on my hair long enough to really do a lot. I use a lot of really "rich" products as my stylers, It frequently takes my hair hours to absorb product(s) after it is dry. When I do a PT, I use the moisturizing ones, like CJ Repair Me. When the dewpoint is lower, I use a minute amount of a DT as my leave in (CK Curlycue ReNew, CJ Curl Rehab, etc.) Other then that, I don't need to DT. My hair is in such good conditioner, that the shampoo guy at the salon where I get my hair cut won't use conditioner on it! (he just doesn't "get" it)
Originally Posted by kathymack
I feel that way too about my conditioner... after I rinse it out it feels squeaky clean again. But if I use anything heavy or heavy stylers my hair is really weighed down. :/ I really wish I could try sample portions of expensive conditioners to see if my hair could handle it or not.
2a-2c, fine, low porosity
Modified-CG newbie
I also have fine hair and L'oreal products have always proved too heavy for my hair... But to be fair I have not tried the newest line, hydracharge?
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RO: Suave Coconut, VO5 Shea Cashmere
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"To much is given, much is expected"
I also have fine hair and L'oreal products have always proved too heavy for my hair... But to be fair I have not tried the newest line, hydracharge?
Originally Posted by NvmbrCurlss
I tried the conditioner... I was unimpressed. I did get some curl, but it still felt too heavy.
2a-2c, fine, low porosity
Modified-CG newbie
^^^ go figure
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LowP: Kinky Curly Come Clean (50% EVOO)
NoP: As I Am CC
RO: Suave Coconut, VO5 Shea Cashmere
LI: KCKT or CJBCLI or HETT/HENOYF (w/ 8 drops GSO)


"To much is given, much is expected"
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That's what confuses me... my hair was super super soft. I loved the softness, just wanted the curl! I did let the GVP Conditioning Balm sit on my hair for a while the following day but didn't see a difference. Might not be the best conditioner for me though.

Maybe it loved the protein and something else was building up? I've found a LOT of products/ingredients can build up on my hair.. whether they are supposedly water soluble or not. Whenever I get really confused with my hair I go back to a "reset". Sulfate wash, and a conditioner I know my hair likes, nothing else. Then when it recovers (maybe a day or two is usual, sometimes immediately) I start with the new products again. I've learned the hard way that it's best to only do one new thing at a time, preferably no less than a week in between, or at least through two wash cycles. So if I'm going to try a new gel, for example, that is the only new thing I do until I determine the long term effects of it's use. It's just too hard to figure out what went wrong when you combine new products at the same time.

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