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Old 12-06-2013, 01:37 AM   #1
 
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Default I was going to clarify and made things worse

It's been quite a few months since I last clarified. I didn't even have a sulphate poo around anymore, so yesterday I went out and got one from Rituals. I checked the ingredients and even got the saleswoman all excited about CG. I did not get my usual one because I found one that had protein in it, and my hair craves protein at the moment.

This morning, I washed my hair with the new poo. It felt coated and what was even more frustrating is that I shed tons of hair. And not about a hundred hairs, but at least thrice the amount. I checked the bottle and it turns out that I completely missed Quaternium-10. Why??? Ugh. Now I have to start all over again, and my hair is even worse than it was. Frizzy when wet, coated, weighed down, you name it. I'm so frustrated right now because I have to throw out the shampoo and get new ones, and it's not like I bought the cheapest around and can afford to get something else.
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Old 12-06-2013, 03:25 AM   #2
 
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Sucks that that shampoo made your hair shed!

If I could give a recommendation: for clarifying I like the Nivea Intense Repair. You can buy it anywhere in NL and it has two hydrolyzed proteins in it!
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Old 12-06-2013, 03:48 AM   #3
 
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Thanks for the recommendation!

I've used Nivea hair care in the past and shed lots of hair, but it's been years ago so I'm willing to give it another try. I cannot find the ingredients though… Do you happen to have a picture of the ingredients on the bottle? (A)
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Old 12-06-2013, 07:36 AM   #4
 
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Actually, to my own great surprise, this is not too disastrous if I may say so myself. This is 5.5 hours after washing. It doesn't feel nearly as coated as I anticipated and I don't feel this is weighed down either. I'm so confused right now.



I just checked Paula's Choice (ingredient list) and it's actually positive about polyquaternium-10. Does anyone have any other thoughts about this specific polyquat?
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Old 12-06-2013, 09:22 AM   #5
 
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I'm glad it turned out well for you, your hair looks great!

As far as I understand, from what I read, polyquaternium-10 (is that the same as quaternium?) is one of the easier ones to remove, so shouldn't be all too bad. I bought a hard water shampoo that I didn't realize til after my purchase that it had polyquat-10. My hair wasn't the same and felt coated, so I washed it out right away. Just depends on how you like your hair to react. There's no harm in giving it a few shots.

I personally like Neutrogena Anti-Residue shampoo.
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Thanks!

It seems that polyquat-10 indeed is among the milder ones… Which would be great because then I can try the new Jane Carter Solution Wrap & Roll! Other than that, I'm still being overly cautious with them.

I'm going to look into the shampoo you recommend and see if it's available here
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Btw, I dig your new colour! Looks amazing.
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Btw, I dig your new colour! Looks amazing.
Thank you!

I hate that polyquats are in almost everything. I seem to do alright with 4, but 7, 10, and 11 are no-go's for me.
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Btw, I dig your new colour! Looks amazing.
Thank you!

I hate that polyquats are in almost everything. I seem to do alright with 4, but 7, 10, and 11 are no-go's for me.
I know what you mean. For me, 4, 7, 10, 11 and 37 seem to be the biggest problems so I'm really surprised this is not as terrible as I thought it would be.

Btw, I just saw that you use KCCC as well. What are your experiences? I've had one amazing hair day but the rest is just so-so. It doesn't hold up so I have great hair for about an hour a day or so.
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Old 12-06-2013, 05:39 PM   #10
 
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Hey Curls,

I'm so curious, what are PolyQuats? And how does the number that follows it, impact the ingredient/effect on your hair.

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Quaternium 10 is not a polyquat. It's another name for steartrimonium chloride, which is in lots of conditioners.
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I'd been using products with polyquats for quite a while before I heard they could be problematic. I had been getting great results with products containing them, including Curl Keeper, which has polyquaternium-10, so I decided not to sweat it unless I started having problems. A friend of mine refers to that as my magic hair potion.
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Old 12-06-2013, 06:43 PM   #13
 
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Right, I was going to say that I didn't think Polyquat-# aren't the same as Quaternium-#
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Old 12-06-2013, 06:51 PM   #14
 
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The jury is out whether my hair can tolerate polyquats... since I've been reading about buildup I've just been avoiding them.

However, I did used to use NG Herbal like over a year ago and I think I liked it. Quaternium-87 was the 2nd ingredient. I had a little leftover in my bottle and I used a few months ago, and at least on first use (after not using it for a long time) my hair liked it.

Who knows?

I also have a feeling I'm one of those anti-polyquat people. My hair is very product-sensitive. I also used to use the NG orange-patchouli shampoo and conditioner a while back and I think it had a polyquat very low on the list... around that time I had very frizzy hair. But I'd have to go out and specifically buy a product with polyquats to truly test if I'm sensitive to them.
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But I'd have to go out and specifically buy a product with polyquats to truly test if I'm sensitive to them.
I just did that yesterday. I have no idea why I would be afraid of a hair product, but I really am. Maybe tomorrow I will try it...
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Right, I was going to say that I didn't think Polyquat-# aren't the same as Quaternium-#
You definitely have a point there and I checked the ingredients again, this time with my glasses on. Turns out that it's polyquaternium-10 and not Quaternium. Anyway, I bought Neutral shampoo which has these ingredients:

Aqua, Sodium Laureth Sulfate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Sodium Chloride, Sodium Cocoyl Glutamate, Citric Acid, Behenoyl PG-trimonium Chloride, Hexylene Glycol, Propylene Glycol, Sodium Benzoate, Sorbic Acid.

I know it doesn't have any protein whatsoever, but I'd only be using it for clarifying so less is more I'm thinking about ordering Shescentit Okra conditioner once I have enough money.
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