CG not working as well anymore? Please help

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I've been cg for about a year and a half.

Before:



7mo in:


Recent:

The first few months were amazing. Then it kinda turned to eh (still better than pre cg) and now I've moved and the different water here killed my curls even more and it's the last straw!



Where I used to live naturally had crazy amounts of minerals in the water. I just moved a few months ago, and what I was doing before isn't working nearly as well. My curls are not as defined/more frizzy, and not as tight as they were. I feel like I'm slipping back towards my "before" hair... I know my hair is longer and heavier but not sure that extra weight is the only culprit.

I use suave clarifying conditioner to co wash, tresseme naturals as rinse out and a dab as a leave in, and LA Sport blue gel.

Could I need to deep condition? It is the lack of those magical minerals from my old cities water? Do I need protein? Different products? I need help!

Edited to add: About every two weeks I do lowpoo with the Loreal line.... I'm really starting to think my hair needs protein. Hmm.

Last edited by erica18; 12-19-2013 at 11:30 PM.
Try clarifying with a lowpoo. When CG stops working, it seems to me that the cause is frequently product build up.
I second a clarifying shampoo. When my hair starts to get really frizzy I either need protein or a clarifying shampoo. You said you're using Suave clarifying conditioner? These are the ingredients:

Water (Aqua), Cetyl Alcohol, Cetrimonium Chloride, Potassium Chloride, Fragrance (Parfum), Distearyldimonium Chloride, Disodium EDTA, 2-Bromo-2-Nitropropane-1, 3-Diol, Pvp, Methylchloroisothiazolinone, Methylisothiazolinone, Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E Acetate).

Perhaps someone could take a look at this list and see if there's an issue being caused by this? I'm not good with ingredients but many on the forum are.


Low-poo: Looking for a new one.
Condish: V05 Tea Therapy, Body Shop Banana
Leave in: Giovanni Direct Leave In
PT: My hair needs very little. I use Suave Naturals Coconut when I need a little bit and follow up with a moisturizing conditioner.
Styler: Giovanni LA

Go Red Wings!


If water is your culprit, I would think that cowashing may not be for you anymore - especially if you currently have hard water. I cowashed exclusively for a couple of months, and you should see all of the build up on my shower curtain, I'm beyond the point that I need to change it.

Definitely try a low poo and see if your hair does better. My favorite is Yes To Cucumbers Color Protection shampoo, the one without sulfates in the rounded top container.
2c-3a - coarse - normal-high porosity - high density - growing out to donate

NP/LP: KMF Whenever Cond./ YTCucs, Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed DC / CJ Argan & Olive Oil, KCKT, YTBbs
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: SM Elixir / KCCC, SS CEJ
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
She edited the OP to add that she uses a L'Oreal lowpoo every two weeks. But if she uses the L'Oreal Evercurl lowpoo, it contains silicones and polyquats. That, in addition to hard water, might be causing these problems.
Clarify - many low poos are far too conditioning or contain the wrong surfactants to cleanse thoroughly. You want something clear/ non conditioning rich in cocoamidopropyl betaine or olefin sulfonate. Also consider the dew points/ humidity/ change of seasons.
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Definitely back up all the posts saying to clarify! I've noticed my hair isn't looking as good as it initially did, so I clarified today (will see what the results are when I SOTC tomorrow).

If it looks good tomorrow, I may start clarifying routinely (like every three weeks or so).
3A with some 3B thrown in. Medium porosity. Medium Thickness. High density.

Pre-poo: Organic Virgin Coconut Oil
Low-poo: SM Coconut & Hibiscus shampoo / ElastaQP Créme Conditioning shampoo
Conditioner: Jason Moisturising Aloe Vera Conditioner

D/C: Experimenting!

Leave-in: Baptism rinse
Styler: Ouidad Climate Control Heat & Humidity


UK curly. CG since October 2013.
Aiming for WL curls (eventually)
Hmm.

I have the Loreal evercreme, definitely no silicones but not sure about the polyquats?

I just ordered some giovanni tea tree shampoo, and their smooth as silk conditioner (which i read has proteins)

So maybe that will help. I'll have to experiment with these and see what happens.

Am I to understand using low poo might not clarify in the way I'm thinking it was? Surely this doesn't mean sulphate wash right?

Last edited by erica18; 12-20-2013 at 07:04 PM.
You don't say which Evercreme, but they both have polyquats and one has a silicone (amodimethicone which is supposed to resist building up). There is also a waxy ingredient in the Tresemme IIRC which causes problems for some.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I'm not seeing any silicones in the ingredients list – nothing that ends in -cone, -conol, -col, or -xane. And it contains EDTA, so it should help with hard water problems.

OTOH, you could have some buildup, and need some clarification, so using a low-poo which is clear/ non conditioning rich in cocoamidopropyl betaine or olefin sultanate, as suggested by FireFox would be just the thing.

The Fructis Sleek and Shine in your signature line, though has a number of silicones in it, so I'd say there's a good chance that would be your culprit. Clarification is definitely indicated. Firefox could tell you better than I whether the low-poo recommended would be a good choice for removing those cones.
Peace,
Morgan

Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
CGing since July 2008
It depends on what kind of buildup she has... some that have issues with polyquats need sulfates to remove them. ::shrug::

To the OP, go back to the basics. Do you know your hair properties?

I've liked both the GTTTT shampoo and the SaS conditioner. Try the GTTTT shampoo... if later down the line you still feel like the culprit might be buildup I'd suggest getting a cheapo sulfate shampoo (just look in the back and make sure no silicones or polyquats). You can even use hand soap, body wash, or dishwashing liquid for a clarifying wash.

If you have fine hair, you should definitely be incorporating protein in your regular products as well as doing PTs. Try IAgirl's gelatin.

Lastly, look out for ingredients in your products that could potentially build up. They include heavy oils/butters, polyquats (some have major issues with those... 4, 7 & 10 I think are the biggest offenders), waxes including cetyl esters.
2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
[/B]Cowash: Cure Care + water
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
^ and polyquat-11, not water soluble.
2c-3a - coarse - normal-high porosity - high density - growing out to donate

NP/LP: KMF Whenever Cond./ YTCucs, Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed DC / CJ Argan & Olive Oil, KCKT, YTBbs
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: SM Elixir / KCCC, SS CEJ
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo

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