Would it be weird to call a salon and ask them if they know how to cut curly hair? Or perhaps ask if they do dry cuts? I don't want to sound rude or anything but idk how to go about finding a hair salon to get some layers in my hair. I would appreciate any suggestions. Also, I don't want to go to a deva salon. I've had their haircuts before and did not like them. Thanks
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Last edited by sKorpio1190; 12-21-2013 at 07:51 AM.
I don't think there is anything odd about calling and asking... no different than asking if they do color or updos or French braids.
I would think that lots of stylists will claim they are good with curly hair, but they mean they can cut it so if you blow dry it, it will look even. This is not a knock against stylists, that's just what most people sitting in their chairs want.
Most of the actual curly stylists I have found in my area have had a significant amount of actual deva training. Just like there are many ways to cut wet hair, there are many ways to cut dry hair. One "deva cut" is not all deva cuts. I am guessing that your best bet for a good cut for curly hair is going to be working with a deva trained stylist. if there aren't any or you've given them a good go, then finding someone who cuts dry is your next best chance. Either way finding someone who will listen and work with you is key. If you have desires "keep the length on the top" you can't sit down in the chair and say "fix it". And you might not get the perfect cut the first time, the curls can change because of the cut and styling so be prepared for getting adjustments.
I recently got my first curly cut. After seeing the same stylist for 30+ years and being happy with his work, I found a new stylist. I know that had I asked my old stylist if he could cut it dry he would have said yes, but I would not have gotten the kind of cut that would have set my curls free.
Skorpio, maybe I am cynical but I'll bet if you called 100 salons and ask if they know how to cut curly hair 99 of them would say yes. They want your business and I have no faith that they would be truthful.
The best way to go about finding a good stylist in my experience is to ask people who have a cut that you see and like. If you have the time to wait until you see someone with curly hair that you like, I would suggest doing that. Also read the reviews here and also reviews of curly salons where you live.
Another idea is to see if you can get a free consultation at a few salons that you think might work for you. Then you can ask questions of the stylist and get a better feel for whether she or he is experienced and knowledgeable about cutting curly hair.
Good luck - let us know how it turns out for you! I know it is tricky.
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You can ask, but you'll rarely get a valid answer. The stock answer is, "Oh, everybody here is good with curly hair." When they say that, run for the hills. It's code for, "Nobody here has a clue how to cut curly hair." The only correct answer IME is, "Oh, you want Stan (or other specific name)!"
Another way to go about your search, which has worked for me, is to approach people with great curly cuts, including strangers, tell them you love their hair, and ask where they get it cut, and by whom. When I first did this, I was painfully shy, but incredibly sick of crap haircuts. It actually helped me get over my shyness in a big way, as I found that absolutely nobody minds having a complete stranger tell them they look great.
There are also lots of reviews of stylists and salons here on NC.com ("salons" to the left of the search box). You might want to write to people who've reviewed stylists you're considering, and ask if they still go to that stylist, and why they do or don't.
Like the OP, I'd suggest that you not rule out Deva cuts. There is, unfortunately, a lot of variety in the abilities, and willingness of Deva trained stylists to go against the grain of what they were taught in cosmetology school. Devachan has videos of their stylists, which you can watch to get a sense of how well they follow the method. At other salons, you need to interview the stylist, and ask them questions to find out how well they follow Lorraine Massey's cutting techniques and approach. There's a temptation to tell them what you want, but try to ferret out what they do before you tell them that, or they may just parrot back to you what you want to hear. Another way to check them out is to find out who does whose curly hair cuts among the salon staff, and book with the stylist of the person who has the best cut.
I don't go out unless I have to, so now that school is out for the break I won't be going out much. So I can't really wait until I see someone with nice hair. Also, I'm home for the break and want to get the haircut here because I hate the area where I go to school. Variety is very limited there and there are many more options here. I will see what I can do
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I found my stylist on www.mydevacurl.com. My stylist was awesome!!! It was a gamble because I'd never met him. He admitted that he didn't have experience cutting corkscrew curls, but still did a wonderful job. But was glad I came so he could learn to to cut corkscrew curls. I was glad I could help him too. I love my cut & get plenty of compliments.
I got a recommendation from an acquaintance. Shouldn't have listened to her, because she has stick straight hair. Anyhow, I had like a 20 minute conversation over the phone and told her exactly what I wanted. She claimed and sounded like she really knew and understood curly hair. She was confident she could do what I asked of her. I got in her chair and she did everything but what I originally asked her to do. I just wanted a bit in the front cut (which we agreed would be a blunt scissor cut), because my previous wet cut left my hair totally uneven. She took thinning shears to my head without telling me or asking me. Then I told her I still had the pieces hanging down and asked her to cut them. She told me no. Then she proceeded to tell me that I could curl my hair with a curling iron, as she took the iron to my hair. Also, the way she combed really fast and hard through my hair was f'ing ridiculous.
Moral of the story - you can call as many people as you want who say they can cut curly hair - but chances are 98% of them are probably full of crap.
Why not ask a Deva stylist to give you a regular dry cut, instead of a deva cut? Is this possible? I'm assuming you don't like the unevenness of the deva?
You can ask, but you'll rarely get a valid answer. The stock answer is, "Oh, everybody here is good with curly hair." When they say that, run for the hills. It's code for, "Nobody here has a clue how to cut curly hair." The only correct answer IME is, "Oh, you want Stan (or other specific name)!".
My deva stylist does regular cuts too. I bet a lot of deva stylists do. They know curly hair, just sign up for a regular cut but ask them to cut it dry and that you don't want the deva. Not sure how that would go over.... but.. worth a try.
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Maybe you can find a Curlisto or Ouidad stylist? I found my stylist through this site's salon finder. She does the Curlisto method. She cuts my hair wet but not soaking wet, and I think it came out great.
I agree with CP about calling salons. They will say everyone knows how to cut curly hair. I would either ask someone with hair as curly as yours or see if you can get a consultation with some of the positively reviewed stylists on this site.
I personally haven't had much luck with.Deva trained stylists either. I found a great Ouidad stylist where I used to live through the Ouidad site. It depends on your hair type. I have thick, coarse hair that doesn't do well with lots of styling products in it, so the Ouidad approach works better for my hair than Deva.
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Don't the ouidad specialists charge a lot? I have trouble paying for devacuts so I can't afford something even more expensive. The cheapest I found was for $105. I'm very afraid to risk that kind of money and end up being disappointed
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Last edited by sKorpio1190; 12-22-2013 at 08:39 PM.
Don't the ouidad specialists charge a lot? I have trouble paying for devacuts so I can't afford something even more expensive
It depends on where you go and the level of the stylist. I only got my hair cut - not shampooed or styled so I usually only paid $40 for the usual $125 experience. Also, if your hair is 3b or curlier or can frizz enough to be considered kinky, IME, you're better off getting an expensive cut once a year then hating the crappy $35 cut you will probably get if you go for price alone. Research stylists and compare costs first before writing them off.
I would recommend looking at their website and seeing if they have pictures posted. Or if they have a FB page, look at that. I was actually just dealing with this. One of my co-workers has curly hair (about a 2a or so) and recommended a stylist to me. I was so excited and booked the appointment right away. However, I looked at her website and FB page and noticed that there were no curly cuts in any of her photos (at most a 2a or 2b). I was starting to panic, because I have 3b hair and it didn't seem like she had any experience in that type of hair, plus there were no other reviews of her work.
So, I found a different stylist, read up on her reviews, and looked at her style gallery. I also talked to her over the phone about it and she walked my through her process over the phone and told me that she'd do a consultation first and foremost. Needless to say, I felt a lot more comfortable with her and am excited to see her on January 2nd!
I think, as with anything else, you just have to do as much research as you can and ask around. It's a gamble either way. Best of luck!
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