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ETA: Since my problem of breakage no longer applies I will keep this thread as a document about my hair journey... :-D


Hello fellow curlies.
I am new on posting here but I am familiar with Cg. I tried being a cg girl but my hair became worse. I dye my hair which maybe was the reason. Lately my hair has been acting up more than usual. When I brush i end up with way too.many hair as i feel. The last 3 months I am on diet. Mostly it consists odd veggies chicken turkey eggs tuna and some indulgents during weekend. Is it possible that my hair has way too much protein? I use normal shampoo as i haven't find any conditioner that doesn't make my scalp oily and weights down my 2b curls. I don't use heat. Maybe a hair dryer once a month during winter. But my hair looks a bit straw like but feels frizzy and tangled. What's wrong with my hair? I live in Greece which makes it hard to find products
2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Color Treated
M/C, Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
CO: Conditioner with Wheat Protein and Aloe
DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner
GEL: Schwarzkopf Taft Maxx Power
DT: Gliss Untimate Volume+Coconut Oil

HG
Goal: WL when curly
CG since Feb 2014

Last edited by KaZenner1990; 06-16-2014 at 06:32 AM.
If you over processed your hair while dying it it will break off.

The only cure is a trim.

I suggest that while you may have a healthy diet you eat more oily fish and nuts plus a wider selection of vegetables. This is to ensure you get a wide range of vitamins and minerals. However you will not notice the effects of your diet on your hair for 3-6 months and it will only effect the new growth.
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Thank you for replying. I have been dying my hair quite awhile. Is it essential to stop dying my hair? I noticed that my roots are frizzy too. How often should I get a trim? I also have layers. Could that make it worse?
2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Color Treated
M/C, Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
CO: Conditioner with Wheat Protein and Aloe
DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner
GEL: Schwarzkopf Taft Maxx Power
DT: Gliss Untimate Volume+Coconut Oil

HG
Goal: WL when curly
CG since Feb 2014
You mention breakage in your title but the only instance of hair falling out you mentioned in your post is hair coming out when you're brushing. You really shouldn't brush curly hair anyway (just detangle it with a wide-tooth comb or your fingers when it's wet and has conditioner in it). Also, are you sure it's breakage and not just shedding? Does the hair have a white bulb on the end?

Also with the frizziness etc. maybe you're just not using the right products for your hair? Could you list the products (or their ingredients) here as well as your routine? Then maybe we can try and come up with a solution for ya
Allie

Curly type: 3A Botticelli curls. Medium porosity / density.
Pre-poo: Organic Virgin Coconut Oil
Low-poo: Shea Moisture Coconut & Hibiscus Curl & Shine
Conditioner: Faith in Nature Raspberry and Cranberry
D/C: Shea Moisture Raw Shea Butter Restorative, mixed with honey & other goodies
Leave-in: My DNA
Styler: Umberto Giannini Scrunching Jelly / Ouidad Climate Control Heat & Humidity


UK curly. CG since October 2013.
Aiming for WL curls (eventually)
I agree with what the others have said. It's hard to know with the information you've given us, which is good information to have, but it would help to know more.

Brushing can also contribute to frizziness.
Peace,
Morgan

Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
CGing since July 2008
I classify it us breakage because they don't have a white bulb at the end. I use normal shampoo so i didn't thought it would matter but the ingredients are:
sodium laureth sulfate, disodium cocoamphodiacetate,sodium chloride, peg-12 dimethicone, polyquaternium-10, cocodimonium hydroxypropyl hydrolyzed keratin, panthenol, citric acid, laureth-2, sodium benzoate, peg-7 glyceryl cocoate, parfum, propylene glycol, peg-55 propylene glycol oleate, hydrogenated castor oil, peg-14M, mica, hexyl cinnamal, linalool, limonene, sodium sulfate, CI 77891.

Also i have to brush my hair because they end up like a tangled mesh and it's like walking with a mop as my hair. I use 2 different conditioners. One helps with detangling so much and it's a silicone-sulfate free one. I tried co wash with it but it made my scalp too oily.
Ingredients of detangling one: cetyl alcohol, peg-180, CI 77891/ titanium dioxide, CI 17200/red 33, CI 19140/ yellow5, elaeis guineensis oil/palm oil, mica, nacre powder, hydroxyethylcellulose, dodecene, hydroxypropyltrimonium hydrolyzed wheat protein, chlorhexidine digluconate, poloxamer 407, limonene, linalool, isopropyl myristate, myristyl alcohol, cetrimonium chloride, cetyl esters, bht, citric acid, citronellol, lauryl peg/ppg-18/18 methicone, hexyl cinnamal, parfum/fragrance (F.I.L C49009/1)
As for the second one are those packs that box dyes have. It seemed to help so I use those.

I use a leave in treatment after I get out of shower from schwarzkopf. The ingredients are:
Aqua, Alcohol denat., Polyquaternium-37, Trisiloxane, Polyquaternium-11, Glycerin, Polyquaternium-10, Trideceth-12, Lactic Acid, Panax Ginseng Root Extract, Cetrimonium Chloride, Arginine, Acetyl Tyrosine, Arctium Majus Root Extract, Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, PEG-12 Dimethicone, Niacinamide, Ornithine HCl, Citrulline, Biotin, Panthenol, Cocodimonium Hydroxypropyl Hydrolyzed Keratin, Hydrolyzed Keratin, Dimethicone, Mica, Amodimethicone, Parfum, Propylene Glycol Dicaprylate/Dicaprate, PPG-1 Trideceth-6, Vanillin, Phenoxyethanol, Linalool, Coumarin, Hexyl, Cinnamal, Limonene, CI 77891
2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Color Treated
M/C, Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
CO: Conditioner with Wheat Protein and Aloe
DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner
GEL: Schwarzkopf Taft Maxx Power
DT: Gliss Untimate Volume+Coconut Oil

HG
Goal: WL when curly
CG since Feb 2014

Last edited by KaZenner1990; 02-20-2014 at 03:40 PM.
Other info that might be handy:

Curl patern:2b-2c on bottom layers
Porosity: probably medium
Density:medium
Lenght; medium: 2" - 10"
While you have type 2 hair because you dye it I would recommend you use less harsh products.

I noticed several of your products have alcohol in them as the second ingredient. Hair that is dyed is more porous and tends to be drier. Alcohol dries hair out.

Products specifically targeted at dyed hair tend to be less harsh as the aim is to stop dye from fading.

I would also recommend you don't brush your hair regardless of how thick it is. Use a wide tooth comb or your fingers. You may have to section your hair to detangle it but it's less likely to break off.
While you have type 2 hair because you dye it I would recommend you use less harsh products.

I noticed several of your products have alcohol in them as the second ingredient. Hair that is dyed is more porous and tends to be drier. Alcohol dries hair out.

Products specifically targeted at dyed hair tend to be less harsh as the aim is to stop dye from fading.

I would also recommend you don't brush your hair regardless of how thick it is. Use a wide tooth comb or your fingers. You may have to section your hair to detangle it but it's less likely to break off.
Originally Posted by Blueblood
I didn't know that products targeted for dyed hair are less likely to have alcohol! If I brush my hair on the shower I don't mind using a wide tooth comb. While being in the shower I use tange tweezer. Should I stop brushing while my hair is dry? And what could I do to help the look of unbrushed hair I have the next day? I also own own a boar bristle brush. would it made a difference if I used that one instead? Thank you again for your advice
Definitely stop brushing your hair when it's dry regardless of the brush used.

In fact only style your hair when it's damp.

As most curly hair will break when brushed or combed dry.

Go to the main part of the website and have a look at the styling products suggested for type 2 hair. Also look at peoples' signatures and see if there is anyone with dyed hair similar to yours and what products they use. There will be people in the same country as you around.

Also look into pineappling and sleeping on a satin pillowcase or bonnet. These help to protect your hair while you sleep. (Search on the forum for info on this.)
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I dye my 2a-2c hair and the Curly Girl method has made it much healthier. However I don't dry brush, that is not CG and is damaging to curlies.

Your diet sounds restrictive and imbalanced/ lacking in nutrients. Tou need to be eating a wide variety of different foods, its nit possible to get everything from white muscle meats, eggs and produce. You need oily fish, other healthy fats (nuts/ seeds/ coconut/ olives/ avocado/ cocoa), mineral rich foods (nuts/ seeds/ beans/ lentils) and dairy.

Check out British Curlies for some of the products available in Europe, also read around Naturallycurly. I am in the UK and have stacks of conditioners that work with damaged hair and the CG method - Tresemme Naturals, Inecto for co-washing, some of the L'Oreal Elvive (?Elseve/ Elvital?) line, Schwarzkopf Gliss Kur Ultimate Volume.

I believe there are some silicone free Garnier conditioners in Europe. You can also order from the UK Curly Emporium, US iHerb, Amazon or eBay.

Hydrolysed protein is particularly good for fine or damaged hair, curl boosting/ body/ volume.
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
The conditioners you're using have silicones in them, which could be contributing to the stawlike feeling, and the frizz. I know people in Europe do the CG method, but other than going through British Curlies, I don't know of good sources for CG products for Europeans outside the UK.
Peace,
Morgan

Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
CGing since July 2008
I have tried cg before for two months but my hair was getting too weighted down from conditioners and way too dried from low poo. But i wonder sulfates don't exist on hair dyes? Every time i would dye them my hair would need adjusting again right?
During a cg i was using t-shirt as my towel and sleeping cap and scrunches. I ended up with oily scalp and frizzy hair from ear and down. The conditioner for detangling is loreal elvive. Making my sulfate free shampoo from castile soap would be ok?
2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Color Treated
M/C, Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
CO: Conditioner with Wheat Protein and Aloe
DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner
GEL: Schwarzkopf Taft Maxx Power
DT: Gliss Untimate Volume+Coconut Oil

HG
Goal: WL when curly
CG since Feb 2014

Last edited by KaZenner1990; 02-21-2014 at 06:59 AM.
New input that amazed me...I used hair gel on my secod hair and it improved the feeling and somewhat the look of my hair.It made itlook shiny ???. Now that amazed me becase at the past gel made my hair even frizzier.
Ingredients: aqua, sorbitol, aminomethyl propanol, carbomer, va/crotonates copolymer, phenoxyethnol, dmdm hydantoin, parfum,peg-40 hydrogenated castor oil, disodium edta, mica, ethylhexylglycerin, hexyl cinnamal, calsium stearate, CI 77891, amylcinnamal, linalool, CI 60730, CI 42090, tocopherol.
Different gels have very different formulations and pHs. That one contains sorbitol which is a potent humectant, and mica which can be sparkly (used in face powders).
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Yea but how can I tell the effect that certain products will have on my hair?
2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Color Treated
M/C, Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
CO: Conditioner with Wheat Protein and Aloe
DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner
GEL: Schwarzkopf Taft Maxx Power
DT: Gliss Untimate Volume+Coconut Oil

HG
Goal: WL when curly
CG since Feb 2014
Yea but how can I tell the effect that certain products will have on my hair?
Originally Posted by KaZenner1990
1.Trial and error, and,
2. Reading scientifc articles and scientific hair blogs to see what common ingredients do, and,
3. Reading the ingredients on the products you wish to buy

For example if you know that gels with glycerine as the 2nd-5th ingredient don't work for you as they leave you with frizz, then everytime you see a recommended gel you check out the ingredients to see if you should avoid it.
Castile soap really isn't a good substitute for a low-poo. It's quite alkaline, opens the cuticle, which can lead to damage, and needs to be followed by an acidic rinse to close the cuticle back down. I second the recommendation of British Curlies as a source of low-poos.

I also think it would help you a great bit to get a copy of "Curly Girl: The Handbook. " There's a lot of good information in there with explanations, illustrations, and video of the techniques.
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Peace,
Morgan

Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
CGing since July 2008
Thank you all for your inputs!! You have been helping me tons!! I am planing as for now to stop dying my hair and put more oil in my diet. Besides that I want to ask, on the past when I was a cg my hair would become like cotton candy(too much moisturizer as I got from reading through curltalk). Does it still count if I use a sulfate shampoo here and there to clarify?
I did read that when there is more humid out humectants should be used. Should the hair be more conditioned as well?
Something that bothers me....does anyone else have a problem of weird curl formation when ploping/put on sleep cap? :/ My curls became so weird shaped
1. Use a sulphate or other clarifying shampoo as needed whether that's once a week, once a month, once a year or anywhere in between as a lot of ingredients build up. Most people find complete CG doesn't work for them.

2. Yes definitely condition your hair at all times. The conditioner may need to change with the weather and the styler. For example a light rinse out conditioner followed by a gel may be fine in humid weather. There as you may need a leave-in in winter.

3. Lots of people here have problems getting 2nd day hair. Some don't bother, some mist their hair and others get away with fluffing their hair.

You are going to need to experiment to find out what works for you.

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