Starting CG, yet again?

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Blah! I did my first co-wash and my longest layers won't curl... What is the problem? I really had to wash my hair and I didn't want to use sulphates anymore and I decided to give co-wash another go and I'm quite bummed.

I did this:
Co-wash with random finnish conditioner(I know, it's maybe not the best for co-washing, but it did wash my roots)(Ingredients:Aqua, Cetearyl Alcohol, Cetrimonium Chloride, Hydroxypropyl Trimonium Honey, Cocamide MEA, PPG-3 Myristyl Ether, Ceteareth-20, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, PPG-3 Benzyl Myristate, Cocoa (Theobroma Cacao) extract, Panthenol, Wheat Amino Acids, Piroctone Olamine, Propylene Glycol, Phenoxyethanol, Methylisothiazolinone, Citric Acid, Parfum, Hexyl Cinnamal)
Conditioned length with Tresemme Naturals (old formula)
Leave-in Tresemme Naturals again
Styling: Wella mousse and FSG and scrunched then plopped for 10mins

Did I do something terrible wrong? What could be the reason?
Still figuring out my properties.

Excuse my english, I am not a native speaker.
You didn't necessarily do anything wrong, a lot of us struggle to get the bottom layer to curl. Does the rest of your curl look fine? If so, here's some possible solutions: Some people have found that plopping can pull out the bottom curls. You can try not plopping, or plopping a different way (I make sure I set my hair closer to the back of my head). I've personally found that applying extra conditioner & extra leave-in to the bottom layer helps. Finger curling might also help to "train" the curls.
Mod CG since '09. CG as of 02/27/14.
Medium texture, normal-low porosity, normal elasticity and density
Products: VO5 KL (co-wash), GVPCB (RO/DT), SN (RO/LI), KCCC/BRHG/AVG (stylers)
Techniques: Mod-IceQueen, Plopping (FST), Octopus clip roots, SOTC; Double pineapple
I did apply more conditioner on bottom layers, but I also applied my styling to soaking wet hair, could that be the reason? Maybe it needs to be not so soaking or even damp?
Still figuring out my properties.

Excuse my english, I am not a native speaker.
Perhaps a low-poo would be better for you, rather than strict co-washing?
Allie

3A with some 3B thrown in. Medium porosity. High density. Low-medium thickness.


Pre-poo: Organic Virgin Coconut Oil
Low-poo: Shea Moisture Coconut & Hibiscus Curl & Shine
Conditioner: Faith in Nature or
Shea Moisture Raw Restorative
D/C: Giovanni 2chic Avocado & Olive Oil Ultra Moist Deep Moisture Mask

Leave-in: My DNA
Styler: Ouidad Climate Control Heat & Humidity or
Umberto Giannini Scrunching Jelly

UK curly. CG since October 2013.
Aiming for WL curls (eventually)
Perhaps a low-poo would be better for you, rather than strict co-washing?
Originally Posted by BotticelliBrit
I'll wash with low poo next time. I just feel like it's not the roots, they're fine actually, but the length is weighed down again! This time I didn't use any coconut oil.

Am I highly porous after all? What do you think?
Still figuring out my properties.

Excuse my english, I am not a native speaker.
You can't necessarily tell anything from one wash, try not to chop and change constantly give your hair chance to adjust.
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
You can't necessarily tell anything from one wash, try not to chop and change constantly give your hair chance to adjust.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
Okay, maybe I will give co-wash another go. I bought the gliss ultimate volume conditioner, is it good enough conditioner as on its own? I am planning to do PT with it.

If I do another co-wash, could I try less conditioning just to see what happens? My hair feels weighed down and I don't really have any waves left anymore...
Still figuring out my properties.

Excuse my english, I am not a native speaker.
I used the ultimate volume conditioner as my leave in conditioner most of last summer. It is rich enough for my colour treated/ porous hair due to the fatty alcohols (conditioning agents/ emollients) yet light enough not to weigh my hair down, actually I got curl boosting and shine. YMMV of course.

Not using it at present as my hair doesn't seem to like much protein in winter, I use more lipids (fats/ oils).

Do a deep protein treatment on clean hair, ideally shampoo'd but co-washed is fine if you are confident you don't have build up.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Amaree, you sound a bit overwhelmed. What I would advise is to start with the basics: your properties. Try to determine your properties and read about the specific characteristics of your properties so that you can decide what your hair needs.

My other tip is not to change your routine too much in the beginning. I always try to stick to the same thing for a week, and if it would still not work, then change it. However, don't just do "something," but try to find out why the current routine is not working. You don't know how often I have asked and still ask for help from fellow curlies here! It's a process that most do not master in one day or even a month.

The last thing is to observe your hair very closely. If you know your properties, then you know how your hair will respond to certain situations. Obviously the weather affects your hair as well but I haven't really gotten around to reading up on that.

Here are a few links that might help you:

Curly Hair Basics | Live Curly Live Free
Curl Junkie - Natural Hair Care for all types of Curly Hair!: My 2 cents on Protein/Texture/Porosity/Moisture Balance! :-)
Dorm Room Curly: All in One Guide for the Curly Girl Method

These three websites provide a lot of basic information on properties and the CG method respectively.

The websites and blogs below are just great resources that I recommend checking out for ingredient-specific information and more:

Science-y Hair Blog (love the recipe section - perfect for when you cannot get things in store)
THE NATURAL HAVEN
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F - LP - HD - NE
Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
Hairtype 2c

Low poo: Weleda Oat Replenishing Shampoo
Protein: IAGirl's gelatine treatment
Detangler & LI: KCKT
Styling: KCCC

Beauty Is Not a Number
I tried another co-wash and did protein treatment with Gliss Ultimate volume. I washed upside-down because I only washed my hair. Little bit TN as leave-in and combed my hair(upside-down washing tangled it again). Then FSG on damp hair. Didn't plop, but scrunched with t-shirt. And again, my hair doesn't wave. I didn't feel or see any change due protein treatment. Even my shortest layer were straight!

This is my hair on that wash day: What is happening to my hair?!
Still figuring out my properties.

Excuse my english, I am not a native speaker.
Amaree I can't even tell you how much I can relate to your frustration. Firefox and Blueblood have replied to my thread. As someone mentioned elvive has awesome cone free conditioner. I use Elvive Nutri Gloss for detangling, it's a pink bottle with light blue cap. I have used it on my length but it gave me cotton candy hair. My hair is also color treated and i grow out the damage. My roots seem to like low poo bit the length hates it. The first week my hair was sucking everything like a sponge but the next week I chopped it and it seems to weight down easier. I have yet to find how to not let it get dry or over mosturise it. I dunno what my porosity is. I also think that my hair curls more when it's full with moisture even thought my roots go flat. It's hard but both times I swear my hair haven't been curlier in my whole life.

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2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Color Treated
M/C, Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
CO: Conditioner with Wheat Protein and Aloe, Tresemme Naturals NM
DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner
GEL: WELLA New wave gel rock & hold
DT: Gliss Untimate Volume+Coconut Oil

HG
Goal: WL when curly
CG since Feb 2014

Last edited by KaZenner1990; 03-07-2014 at 05:30 PM.
I plan on getting hair analysis as I dunno how a porous hair acts and my hair reacts different each day/ each side of head even reacts different. Low poo is good on my roots so I might work with that. I also co wash with syoss silicone free repair and fullness. I also picked up Gliss Ultimate volume cond. I forgot to write the full name of elvive. It's called Elvive NutriGloss Crystal. Lol it has something like glitter in it. If you see my tangle teezer the bristles glow lol. Random but some recommended Aussie Moist. It has in Bis-Aminopropyl Dimethicone. Is it water soluble??
2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Color Treated
M/C, Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
CO: Conditioner with Wheat Protein and Aloe, Tresemme Naturals NM
DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner
GEL: WELLA New wave gel rock & hold
DT: Gliss Untimate Volume+Coconut Oil

HG
Goal: WL when curly
CG since Feb 2014
I don't like NutriGloss because that glitter...

I am starting to give up. Yesterday I washed my hair with co-wash and it was bad (again) and I didn't really have any wave, so I got frustrated and put bendy rollers in my hair. Last time around this went lot better...
Still figuring out my properties.

Excuse my english, I am not a native speaker.
Maybe switch it around, try the Tresemme Naturals for cleansing and the Gliss or other hydrolysed protein conditioner as your leave in.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
You can also add xanthan gum to your FSG for hold and possibly wave boosting.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Forvige me for asking firefox but could FXG could be used as curl keeper??

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2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Color Treated
M/C, Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
CO: Conditioner with Wheat Protein and Aloe, Tresemme Naturals NM
DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner
GEL: WELLA New wave gel rock & hold
DT: Gliss Untimate Volume+Coconut Oil

HG
Goal: WL when curly
CG since Feb 2014
You mean as a light styler/ definer before applying a harder hold gel? If so yes.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I don't like NutriGloss because that glitter...

I am starting to give up. Yesterday I washed my hair with co-wash and it was bad (again) and I didn't really have any wave, so I got frustrated and put bendy rollers in my hair. Last time around this went lot better...
Originally Posted by amaree
Awww does it show that much??? I haven't managed to make it glitter on me because I wash it out maybe. I got from Gliss the ultimate volume cond. I wanna get one from aussie but here all of them have a hard washing cone in them :-)

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2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Color Treated
M/C, Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
CO: Conditioner with Wheat Protein and Aloe, Tresemme Naturals NM
DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner
GEL: WELLA New wave gel rock & hold
DT: Gliss Untimate Volume+Coconut Oil

HG
Goal: WL when curly
CG since Feb 2014
I tried TN as co-wash, and it was fine. Didn't notice any difference.

The second washday after I decided to go natural again, I got quite nice waves. I've been trying to re-create that, but I just can't.

Today: not liking this! It looks so bad, because those aren't even waves... And I don't know which looks worse, non-brushed or brushed. It's just like ugly narrow clumps of almost straight hair. I am so frustrated and ready to quit this. I don't know why it was better last time I was natural for half a year.

Am I doing something totally wrong?
Still figuring out my properties.

Excuse my english, I am not a native speaker.

Last edited by amaree; 03-10-2014 at 10:27 AM.
Last time around, it was summer, so you didn't have to fight low dew points as you were trying to get the hang of this. Hold on! Once the dew points get solidly into the 40 - 60F range you'll have some easy sailing for a while before they bump up again. Summer hair is generally considered much easier to master.

In the meantime, I'd suggest getting a copy of the ebook Live Curly, Live Free from the website by the same name. Pay particular attention to the information about dew points, which will stand you in good stead over the summer. It's also a great source for information about hair properties, and how they interact with ingredients and dew points.
Peace,
Morgan

Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
CGing since July 2008

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