Dilemma with tangles

Probably because of my split ends (currently individually cutting them off,but there's so many!) , one day with my hair down leads to several rats nests.

Now I'm trying to go completely no poo, so chemically filled conditioners are a no go. And it's not just that. I'm trying to adjust to no shampoo or conditioner just because it will be way more convenient for lifestyle I'm trying to lead.

So how am I to get rid of all these tangles?

(I'm 2b)
If you are 2b and having that many tangles and comparable to a rat's nest, you may have some damage that will have to be cut out in order to solve. I had terrible tangles with my waves 2 years ago when going CG after straightening for years. I ended up cutting it out, because there was just no way to repair it.
2c-3a - coarse - normal-high porosity - high density - growing out to donate

NP/LP: KMF Whenever Cond./ YTCucs, Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed DC / CJ Argan & Olive Oil, KCKT, YTBbs
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: SM Elixir / KCCC, SS CEJ
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
Is it the split ends that causes tangles? Because I never use heat or chemicals on my hair, so I don't understand what I was doing wrong.
Do you use heat on your hair? That can cause damage too. Not detangling your hair thoroughly can leave you with a rats nest as well. This is why I can't finger de tangle at all. If I only finger detangle, I will end up with rats nest and matted looking hair. If you have damage, head to your nearest curly stylist & have it cut out.
I can't see siggies bc I am on my phone but what conditioner do you use when detangling? What is your process for detangling? Do you use a comb, fingers, brush? Kinky Curly Knot Today is great at detangling. Sometimes I would mix it with other conditioners to really get great slip.

Also when I have bad tangles, I'll slather my hair with conditioner in the shower let it sit for a few to saturate and then actually use the water as its cascading down to assist with spreading the conditioner to loosen knots.

I finger detangle, but when I get an extremely bad rats nest knot, I'll put conditioner directly on it and then slowly and carefully pull each hair. Its time consuming and can take up to 45 minutes to do.

Lastly I find my night routine to really influence knots. Since I have been pineappling it has helped tremendously. This is different upon experience. Silk scarves help or any other method that can get your waves/curls to not be manipulated much during sleep really helps.

Sorry for the long post but I have had horrible experiences with knots. I have made so many threads in the past over it because of so much frustration! For me, its night time routine plus conditioner that makes a difference.

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High Porosity, Fine, Thin Density, Low Elasticity
Co-wash, leave in, and gel: Alba botanica coconut cond., ogx mousse, &/or super wet look gel.
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Oops sorry, thought maybe you had straightened or blow dried at some point. I second the Kinky Curly Knot Today, great detangler.
2c-3a - coarse - normal-high porosity - high density - growing out to donate

NP/LP: KMF Whenever Cond./ YTCucs, Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed DC / CJ Argan & Olive Oil, KCKT, YTBbs
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: SM Elixir / KCCC, SS CEJ
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
Hair Tangles is really aggravating especially during summer. Our hair are prone to damages by the heat and other chemicals we use everyday. I think the most common remedy is to use hair conditioners recommended by a salon professionals. In terms of food, I have read that we must have a large amount of protein diet in order to make our hair look healthy.
Did you do a clarifying wash with no silicones before going no poo? What do you use to wash with?
2c-3a - coarse - normal-high porosity - high density - growing out to donate

NP/LP: KMF Whenever Cond./ YTCucs, Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed DC / CJ Argan & Olive Oil, KCKT, YTBbs
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: SM Elixir / KCCC, SS CEJ
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
Did you do a clarifying wash with no silicones before going no poo? What do you use to wash with?
Originally Posted by sixelamy
well, I did a acv rinse, (twice with with diluted water). I use desert essence grape for shampoo and tressemme moisture/ climate control to detangle but my conditioner I use either after that or on a day I'm fine is the argan oil organix.

I also live in a very dry area, and up until the end of last year I would use a brush vigorously to detangle, that probably led to all the breakage and split ends I have now.
This is the ingredient list that I found for the Tresemme conditioner you mentioned, is this correct?

Water (Aqua), Stearyl Alcohol, Cyclopentasiloxane, Cetyl Alcohol, Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Dimethicone, Cyclohexasiloxane, Aspartic Acid, Quarternium-18, Fragrance (Parfum), DMDM Hydantoin, Citric Acid, Isostearamidopropyl Ethyldimonium Ethosulfate, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, Limonene, Disodium EDTA, Amyl Cinnamal, PEG-9, Linalool, Geraniol, Hexyl Cinnamal, Olea Europaea (Olive) Fruit Oil, Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethane, Polysorbate 20, Hydrolyzed Keratin, Tocopheryl Acetate, Panthenol, Ascorbic Acid, Niacinamide, Biotin.

The bolded are all silicones. I would ditch the 'cones and go with a 'cone free conditioner. Also the Organix has glycerin high up on the list, which if used in dry weather/low dews is a recipe for disaster. It also contains silicone, so you're putting silicone on top of silicone. Sounds like you have a case of just very dry hair that needs some love and a good conditioner. Have you tried a deep conditioner at all? Make sure your hair is silicone free before doing this if you wish to try it. Also try a good humectant free leave in conditioner. Kinky Curly Knot Today is a favorite on the board, and I've been having great success with it in negative dews.

These are just some thoughts. By no means are you required to go silicone free, but if you are truly "no poo" (which it sounds like you are "low poo") then silicones are a big problem.
2c-3a - coarse - normal-high porosity - high density - growing out to donate

NP/LP: KMF Whenever Cond./ YTCucs, Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed DC / CJ Argan & Olive Oil, KCKT, YTBbs
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: SM Elixir / KCCC, SS CEJ
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
What do you mean by no-poo? That encompasses a range of techniques from baking soda to conditioner only washes to water only to sebum only to egg washes. Vinegar is a chelator not a clarifier.

Damage is caused by UV light, chemicals (including shampoo), heat styling, mechanical (grooming, tangling, rubbing on clothing pillow and chair fabrics etc). Conditioner helps patch repair the damage from all these, reducing friction and aiding detangling.

If your hair is tangling severely you are not using the right techniques/ products for the current condition of your hair. You could do a 'big chop' or could phase commercial products out slowly.

Many switching to sebum only or water only use natural oils during the transition. Most that I know of wear their hair in an up do most days to reduce mechanical damage, and to reduce loss of protective lipids and structural proteins.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Yes, I've been trying to ween off and do water only, but I thought the only "weening" I'd have to do is with shampoo. I do have a low-poo conditioner (desert essence grape) but I haven't been using it because I can't get the tangles out with it. I'd like not to use the tresseme but it's the only way I'm able to detangle. I do deep condition. Sometimes I use home stuff (coconut oil which didn't work because the top half of my hair is low porosity, and aloe) but I also use the shea moisture deep conditioner (which detangles, not as well as tresseme)

Since I'm trying to ditch chemicals, what other methods of detangling can I use?
I'm still struggling with what you are trying to achieve right now. Everything is made up of chemicals, even oils and butters. Many ingredients that sound artificial are actually found in nature. It's not a true conditioner if you don't incorporate fatty alcohols and cationic surfactants: these are made in a factory from natural oils.

Liquid oils are proven better for slip than butters. Coconut oil isn't liquid at all ambient temperatures so not one of the best for detangling. Lauric acid (coconut oil) is penetrating so is great for deep treating overly porous hair, just apply where you need it. Oleic acid (olive, sweet almond, avocado oils) is also penetrating and better for slip. Almond is the 'lightest'.

You could try slippy film formers like marshmallow, the type of ingredient found in Kinky Curly Knot Today. Do be aware that specific product is pH 7 so not great for damaged hair. These film formers do not really protect and patch repair hair as a conditioner would, its just detangling. The exception is hydrolysed protein, much less slippy but does protect and repair. A natural version is gelatin. Any water based product you make MUST be preserved if not used quickly.

A final option is to fast track your way to advanced 'sebum only': artificial sebum. There are various recipes online, see Spangler synthetic sebum or Sciencey Hairblog. Usually they are a mix of oils buttes and waxes, possibly with lipids such as palmitic acid and squalene. Yes these 'chemicals' are completely natural, found in the human body as well as in natural oils from other sources.

The problem you will have without shampoo or conditioner is shifting excess oils if you use these to detangle or fast track. I honestly have no solution to that - ultimately ingredients that detangle and protect effectively at the same time are man made.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
haha,yes I do know that nearly everything is made of chemicals and it would be impossible to avoid them. When I say "chemicals" I mean sulfates and other stuff in my hair/ body (which I suppose isn't fair to all the other chemicals like our beloved air and water) I just felt that it got my point across. I didn't mean to be THAT GUY. Any I just don't want to go out a buy conditioner and shampoo all the time (as far as reasons to go no-poo I suppose that's pretty stupid) and I was looking for things I could use to give my hair slip. I don't think I'll find marshmallow lying around the house, but I'll check out the blog.

Last edited by reallyageek; 03-06-2014 at 06:39 PM.

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