Round 3 Curly Girl...help

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We tried to do CG the cheap way and the first time my daughter ended up with horrid green scalp, the second time with disgusting red scalp fungus that bled. Both times we had to stop CG and use Dandruff Shampoo to heal
Her scalp from fungus.

This time around, I plan to use No Poo every day, and I would use Low Poo except that she is allergic to both mango and star fruit. I bought 150 worth of Deva products today and I don't want to see scary fungus again.

I believe our problems the first two times stemmed from not using shampoo. I believe she has extremely oily skin like me and also sweats a lot so she needs a good cleanser. Is No Poo a good cleanser? If not I'll have to cheat and use a regular shampoo now and then.

Her curls are Caucasian type 3A, with 3B all around the crown.

My next question, is, do any of you have long hair and not brush it? This is one part that is confusing to us, as a child, her hair gets tangled. We also have a wide tooth comb.

Lastly, if your child wants her hair in a pony tail, how do you handle that? I'm guessing it's best to let the curls semi dry and then gently pull back rather than force them straight into a tight pony tail.
What is the medical diagnosis for your daughters scalp condition? Work with that when choosing ingredients and products. Humans did not evolve simply 'needing' shampoo it wasn't even invented until the last century, generally there is an underlying imbalance in skincare, diet or suchlike. Harsh cleansing agents in commercial shampoos (sulphates, olefin sulfonates) are known to thin and dehydrate skin, and can cause it to pump out excess sebum in a desperate attempt to protect itself. They destroy the protective acid mantle and skin flora.

Light cleansing conditioners can shift sebum, a heavy oiling or water based sweat just fine leaving hair and scalp literally squeaky clean - however any product can contain ingredients that one is sensitive to.

Dry shampoos like Batiste are highly effective in reducing the need for daily washing, with wavy and curly hair just gently wipe away the excess with a soft towel instead of brushing through.

Many here have medium to long hair and do not either brush nor comb just finger detangle in the shower when head is slathered in conditioner. There is a recent thread on that very subject somewhere if you search. Many find the less they brush or comb the less damage is caused and the less they need to brush or comb over time.

Tight ponytails are damaging, more so on vulnerable wet or damp hair. I did a good deal of damage to my hair ponytailing it after towel drying. Wait until hair is fully dry (so great for second day hair), pull back loosely with a scrunchie, Invisibobble, terry cotton ponio. You can make a loose looking style more secure with a Spin Pin or U pins. Waterlily716 on YouTube does up dos and half ups on her 3-something hair.

Wavy and curly hair isn't supposed to be tangle free, it is the nature of the beast it is not straight hair. What you want to avoid is proper knotting and matting that doesn't fairly easily detangle in the shower with piles of a slippy conditioner.

Consider when and how knots and mats are formed - if overnight use a silk/ satin pillowcase or sleep cap, a pineapple or braid or loose topknot. Use gentle up dos during sports or vigorous play. Again Spin Pins are amazing: super secure and not pointy or dangerous for youngsters.

HTH!
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Thanks a lot! I definitely have no idea what the diagnoses would be, and both times the fungus/irritation was completely different in color, texture, etc. I did try different co-wash treatments, and we were using regular shampoo occasionally but I think that was the problem, becuase we were not consistent and therefore her scalp suffered from excess dirt and oil, and then, alternately, suffered when we would finally wash it, from excess dryness and the resulting over production of oil again.

I will move forward confidently with the No Poo. I feel pretty good about it, seeing so many happy customers.
I don't think that the cheap products were necessarily the cause of those problems. That sounds like a medical issue. My daughter had a fungus problem and not even prescription shampoos helped. I started using the Trader Joe's Tea Tree Shampoo and that resolved the issue. This stuff would be considered cheap compared to Deva products. Just because products are expensive doesn't mean they are better.
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3b, Medium-Coarse (slight coarse charactericstics), Normal porosity & Low elasticity per Curl Wizard Profile.
Low-poo: Nourish Shampoo
Co-wash: Suave, Vo5, HE, Aussie Moist
Deep Conditioner: GVP Conditioning Balm
Leave-in: Nourish Conditioner (Trader Joe's)
Stylers: LA Looks Sports, Coconut Oil, Almond Oil, Jojoba Oil.
Methods: Wet plop or pineapple at night, diffuse in the morning. Scrunch w/joboba, coconut or almond oil.
If you have no diagnosis how do you know the issue was fungal?
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Well I don't know.

All I know is that as soon as I put her back on using regular shampoo every day the issue resolved itself within 2 weeks.

I think it had to do with not using shampoo. We were only doing co wash. with infrequent applications of regular shampoo.
Skin disorders are complex. Remember when you make a change you are not simply adding one product OR removing one product, you are adding AND removing numerous ingredients. That's a ton of changes any one of which can cause or contribute to an issue.

If you had a case of irritant or allergic contact dermatitis (from say a fragrance or preservative) you could then get a secondary opportunistic infection (bacteria or fungal/ yeast). Also harsh surfactants damage the skins protective mechanisms, the bad guys that normally live on the scalp can repopulate faster than the good guys that keep them in balance.

The skin can even react negatively to components in the sebum itself: oleic acid is the irritant in seborrhoeic dermatitis (greasy dandruff, cream or yellow not red or green). Both harsh cleansing agents and the yeast that overgrows in SD can lead to increased sebum production which then means you get stuck in a cycle of stripping, excess sebum, irritation and back to stripping.

If it happens again get a medical diagnosis, self treating can worsen the problem, damage the skin barrier or cause an imbalance that then leaves you more vulnerable to future issues.
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I see in your siggy that you use a number of less expensive products, including LA Looks Sport. I would love to go back to LA Looks Sport. Right now, my daughter is going through 40.00 of gel per month. OUch.

I decided to send back the 150.00 worth of products and go back to a few sort of curly girl things that worked for her...including using a shower cap and washing less, not brushing, leave in conditioner, and hopefully that will all help. I just can't afford 100.00 worth of products per month. Not reality.

What products did you use the first time that she had such a bad reaction to?
Hair Type: Combo of 2A, 2B and 2C ... with a weird straight underlayer
Fine, normal porosity, normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low Poo: Yes To Cucumbers Color Protection Shampoo
Cowash: VO5 Moisture Milks
Styler: KCCC
Gel: Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Gel, Tigi Bed Head Creative Genius gel

Started CG 9/10/13
We used the same hair products we used all her life, except for the gel. We used Suave Conditioner as a co-wash, and the Suave Shampoo now and then (maybe once every other week or less) as a clarifier.

We used Kinky Curly gel which we still use and love.

So, I know it wasn't an allergy to the product itself. We used Suave all her life. The variable in the scenario really was not using Shampoo.

Another variable is that we used to live in South Florida and literally lived in the pool for 3 hours a day.

Those are the other two variables. Not using shampoo daily or bi-daily, and perhaps picking something up at the pool.

Which is why, this time around, I spent oodles of money and invested in No Poo. After we get her hair at least somewhat hydrated and tamed, I'll be using Fructis naturals as we had a good experience with that.
Straight Haired Mama to a CG. Type 3b with some 3a. Two time CG fail, going for round 3 after ruining her hair with Pantene Curl products.

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