What is the function of Betaine in conditioners?

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I just read a review about the Hema Natural products, where the conditioner was cone-free (I'm already aware it contains humectants).
But I'm not sure if Betaine (without a prefix) is also a surfactant. Here is the picture with ingredients (Source: pinksensation.net):



Edit: I just saw that this condtioner was already in the Dutch CG list
Hennaed ✩ waist length ✩ 3b ✩ high density
Mixture of medium & very coarse ✩ kinks in strands ✩ mostly porous: sun & old heat damage ✩ low elasticity (wet)


Climate
Dew: 30sF
70-90% humidity

Clarify: YTCar poo
Low poo: Harmonie
Rinse-out: Argan Care
Protein: hydrolyzed keratin
Styling LI: Yes To Tomatoes
Seal: various
Pre-wash: coconut & sunflower oil

: oils, high dews, 50-70% humidity
: salt water, rain, high humidity, low dews, temperature below 50F

Last edited by Fimu; 04-04-2014 at 10:40 AM.
I hope you enjoy that product. Betaine typically dries out my hair. API have to use it sparingly like I would a shampoo.
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Conditioners like this are really great for using as a no poo. I just picked up the KMF one with coco betaine in it, and fell in love!
Fimu likes this.
2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density

NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever Conditioner/ Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, JC Too Shea, Aussie Moist
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
STYLER: Ouidad Climate Control, KCCC, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, JC Rockin' Ringlets
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquats, parabens
Thank you for your responses .
Is it light enough to use it as co-wash? Can I also use it as conditioner rinse-out?

P.S.: what does the abbreviation API mean?
Hennaed ✩ waist length ✩ 3b ✩ high density
Mixture of medium & very coarse ✩ kinks in strands ✩ mostly porous: sun & old heat damage ✩ low elasticity (wet)


Climate
Dew: 30sF
70-90% humidity

Clarify: YTCar poo
Low poo: Harmonie
Rinse-out: Argan Care
Protein: hydrolyzed keratin
Styling LI: Yes To Tomatoes
Seal: various
Pre-wash: coconut & sunflower oil

: oils, high dews, 50-70% humidity
: salt water, rain, high humidity, low dews, temperature below 50F

Last edited by Fimu; 04-04-2014 at 02:15 PM.
I didn't put that there. I was trying to say I have to use products with bentaine in it sparingly.
Thank you for your responses .
Is it light enough to use it as co-wash? Can I also use it as conditioner rinse-out?
Originally Posted by Fimu
It'd be more effective than a cowash, because betaine is a stronger surfactant than the typical ones found in cowashes. It'd be more of the equivalent to the DevaCurl No Poo, except probably better

It's conditioner.. you can use it whichever way you like. Cowash or RO, you're rinsing both out anyway.
2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density

NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever Conditioner/ Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, JC Too Shea, Aussie Moist
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
STYLER: Ouidad Climate Control, KCCC, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, JC Rockin' Ringlets
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquats, parabens
So will this be a good choice for Dutch curlies that find mild sulfates too harsh (e.g. the sodium coco sulfate in YTCarrots), but notice that regular co-washes aren't cleansing enough?
Hennaed ✩ waist length ✩ 3b ✩ high density
Mixture of medium & very coarse ✩ kinks in strands ✩ mostly porous: sun & old heat damage ✩ low elasticity (wet)


Climate
Dew: 30sF
70-90% humidity

Clarify: YTCar poo
Low poo: Harmonie
Rinse-out: Argan Care
Protein: hydrolyzed keratin
Styling LI: Yes To Tomatoes
Seal: various
Pre-wash: coconut & sunflower oil

: oils, high dews, 50-70% humidity
: salt water, rain, high humidity, low dews, temperature below 50F
I can't say 100%, but I consider myself in that category and it works great for me.
2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density

NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever Conditioner/ Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, JC Too Shea, Aussie Moist
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
STYLER: Ouidad Climate Control, KCCC, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, JC Rockin' Ringlets
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquats, parabens
Just clarifying a few things. Betaine =/= coco betaine or cocamidopropyl betaine. I think betaine is more conditioning, though all 3 have some conditioning properties according to the sources below, only coco betaine and cocamidopropyl betaine have surfactant/foam boosting functions. Coco betaine and cocamidopropyl betaine break down silicones; I don't believe that betaine (sans prefix) does.

BETAINE || Skin Deep Cosmetics Database | Environmental Working Group

COCAMIDOPROPYL BETAINE || Skin Deep Cosmetics Database | Environmental Working Group

COCO-BETAINE || Skin Deep Cosmetics Database | Environmental Working Group
2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
Cowash: Cure Care
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine, CJ Repair Me

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
Thank you for your clarification about betaines!

I think I will use this when I need to remove non-cone buildup (like heavy oils).
Hennaed ✩ waist length ✩ 3b ✩ high density
Mixture of medium & very coarse ✩ kinks in strands ✩ mostly porous: sun & old heat damage ✩ low elasticity (wet)


Climate
Dew: 30sF
70-90% humidity

Clarify: YTCar poo
Low poo: Harmonie
Rinse-out: Argan Care
Protein: hydrolyzed keratin
Styling LI: Yes To Tomatoes
Seal: various
Pre-wash: coconut & sunflower oil

: oils, high dews, 50-70% humidity
: salt water, rain, high humidity, low dews, temperature below 50F
Coco betaine or Cocamidopropyl betaine in a conditioner might make it more cleansing... hence a cleansing conditioner like CJ Daily Fix. In a conditioner that's not specifically designed as a "cleansing conditioner," like the KMF sixelamy mentioned, I think the point of adding it would be to control viscosity of the product. But it should make the conditioner more cleansing as well.

Sixelamy, is it the KMF Whenever conditioner? I remember I tried that with the matching shampoo years ago and I didn't like them, found them drying. Good idea repurposing the KMF conditioner as a cowash.
2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
Cowash: Cure Care
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine, CJ Repair Me

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
Can I also use it as leave-in? because I want to try out whether my hair likes humectants with the optimal dews at this moment.

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3b, med/thick texture?, med-high density, porous/transitioning from heat-damage
Hennaed ✩ waist length ✩ 3b ✩ high density
Mixture of medium & very coarse ✩ kinks in strands ✩ mostly porous: sun & old heat damage ✩ low elasticity (wet)


Climate
Dew: 30sF
70-90% humidity

Clarify: YTCar poo
Low poo: Harmonie
Rinse-out: Argan Care
Protein: hydrolyzed keratin
Styling LI: Yes To Tomatoes
Seal: various
Pre-wash: coconut & sunflower oil

: oils, high dews, 50-70% humidity
: salt water, rain, high humidity, low dews, temperature below 50F
Can I also use it as leave-in? because I want to try out whether my hair likes humectants with the optimal dews at this moment.

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3b, med/thick texture?, med-high density, porous/transitioning from heat-damage
Originally Posted by Fimu
Yea of course. You can try pretty much any conditioner as a leave-in conditioner. You don't need a special one labeled "leave-in."
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2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
Cowash: Cure Care
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine, CJ Repair Me

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
Can I also use it as leave-in? because I want to try out whether my hair likes humectants with the optimal dews at this moment.
Originally Posted by Fimu
Yea of course. You can try pretty much any conditioner as a leave-in conditioner. You don't need a special one labeled "leave-in."
Originally Posted by wavydaze
Even when it might be extra cleansing because of that betaine?
Hennaed ✩ waist length ✩ 3b ✩ high density
Mixture of medium & very coarse ✩ kinks in strands ✩ mostly porous: sun & old heat damage ✩ low elasticity (wet)


Climate
Dew: 30sF
70-90% humidity

Clarify: YTCar poo
Low poo: Harmonie
Rinse-out: Argan Care
Protein: hydrolyzed keratin
Styling LI: Yes To Tomatoes
Seal: various
Pre-wash: coconut & sunflower oil

: oils, high dews, 50-70% humidity
: salt water, rain, high humidity, low dews, temperature below 50F
Even when it might be extra cleansing because of that betaine?
Originally Posted by Fimu
As I explained above, betaine is not the same as coco-betaine or cocamidopropyl betaine, and does not have any extra cleansing attributes.
Fimu likes this.
2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
Cowash: Cure Care
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine, CJ Repair Me

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
Thanks for the confirmation .
Yeey, I can experiment with humectants now
Hennaed ✩ waist length ✩ 3b ✩ high density
Mixture of medium & very coarse ✩ kinks in strands ✩ mostly porous: sun & old heat damage ✩ low elasticity (wet)


Climate
Dew: 30sF
70-90% humidity

Clarify: YTCar poo
Low poo: Harmonie
Rinse-out: Argan Care
Protein: hydrolyzed keratin
Styling LI: Yes To Tomatoes
Seal: various
Pre-wash: coconut & sunflower oil

: oils, high dews, 50-70% humidity
: salt water, rain, high humidity, low dews, temperature below 50F

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