Density question

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Ok, so if there's one thing I've ALWAYS known about my hair it's that it is fine. Baby fine. The kind of hair that barrettes slip right out of. I can't hardly clip it for root volume because the clips always fall over (no matter what kind) and won't stay. It has always had a lot of volume and body, though, and even being so fine is hard to weigh down.
Anyway, I have had various hair stylists over the years tell me "You have fine hair, but a lot of it". My current stylist was talking to me about my hair last time I got it cut, and she even said something about my hair being thick.
I'm just kinda baffled by this. I mean, I understand you can have fine hair and a lot of it, but I don't FEEL like I have a lot of hair. Sure, when it's dry and curly it LOOKS like a lot. But when it's wet in the shower it feels like nothing. And you can see so much of my scalp when my hair is wet/damp/drying. And I have spots on my head where there are cowlicks and you can see the scalp even when it's dry.
So how is it possible that I have a lot of hair, or even a normal amount?
I call it medium density. But sometimes I think it's thin. It's too short to put in a ponytail right now for me to measure.
I know I probably sound really dumb, but this has really bugging me, and I hope someone can enlighten me.
Sorry for rambling! Thanks in advance!

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When you don't feel you have a lot of hair, what do you compare to? I never personally feel I have really high-density hair but when I look at people with low density fine hair the difference becomes very apparent. Would you say your hair is high-density compared to something with low-density fine hair? Compared to someone with medium-density fine hair? What is your point of reference? This is quite often hard to figure out, because we "just have a feeling", but very often there is still a point of reference in there somewhere.
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I have iron deficiency anaemia and for the past two years I constantly felt like my hair was thin and thinning, it looks like I have loads of hair and people always comment on it but when i'm in the shower it feels like nothing at all to me. But then I measured my ponytail circumference and it's 4 inches which indicates thick hair so I stopped worrying and realised it is actually quite thick. I once read somewhere that if you look like you have a lot of hair when its down but not much when its up it means you have a lot of fine diameter hair.
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CurlyDiva I can compare my hair density to friends and acquaintences who also have fine hair.

It may seem weird but during my late teens and early 20s I had a few people stare at my head, go you have fine hair too and then we would have a brief discussion on hair density. (I also had idiots make comments about my hair "loss" but that's a whole other story.)

In regards to stylists a few of them have learnt to examine hair properly before they cut it so can do comparisons. Ideally all stylists should do this put experience has taught me a lot don't until they are cutting it.
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Ok, so if there's one thing I've ALWAYS known about my hair it's that it is fine. Baby fine. The kind of hair that barrettes slip right out of. I can't hardly clip it for root volume because the clips always fall over (no matter what kind) and won't stay. It has always had a lot of volume and body, though, and even being so fine is hard to weigh down.
Anyway, I have had various hair stylists over the years tell me "You have fine hair, but a lot of it". My current stylist was talking to me about my hair last time I got it cut, and she even said something about my hair being thick.
I'm just kinda baffled by this. I mean, I understand you can have fine hair and a lot of it, but I don't FEEL like I have a lot of hair. Sure, when it's dry and curly it LOOKS like a lot. But when it's wet in the shower it feels like nothing. And you can see so much of my scalp when my hair is wet/damp/drying. And I have spots on my head where there are cowlicks and you can see the scalp even when it's dry.
So how is it possible that I have a lot of hair, or even a normal amount?
I call it medium density. But sometimes I think it's thin. It's too short to put in a ponytail right now for me to measure.
I know I probably sound really dumb, but this has really bugging me, and I hope someone can enlighten me.
Sorry for rambling! Thanks in advance!
Originally Posted by CurlyDiva71
WOW! I think I may have just found a hair twin with width and density! My experience is exactly the same.

It's mostly likely that you do have high density hair. My friend who is a hair stylist says she doesn't care how much my hair adds up to in a ponytail (a little over 3") it's thick; it's just so fine that it doesn't add up to as much. In fact it was just last week or the week before that I asked her this too.

I took the middle road when listing my density in my signature.
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Jimipe, I don't really compare it to anyone. Just my own head. lol. I did feel it was thicker when I was younger. I'm 42 now, and I swear it's thinner. But any time I've ever gone to a new stylist they are always shocked when they actually get their hands on my hair, because it does look like a lot when it's down.
Eveum, that's my hair exactly: it looks like a lot of hair when it's down, and not as much when it's up!

My hair is short now, but when it was longer, I never had a thin ponytail. It was probably in the medium range, maybe 2.5 to 3 inches or so.
And I've never had one person look at me and say I have thin hair. They always think/say I have a lot.

I appreciate all your input. It makes sense now that I just have really fine strands of hair, probably a lot of them, but since they are so fine they don't add up to as much as someone with coarser strands.

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Ok, so if there's one thing I've ALWAYS known about my hair it's that it is fine. Baby fine. The kind of hair that barrettes slip right out of. I can't hardly clip it for root volume because the clips always fall over (no matter what kind) and won't stay. It has always had a lot of volume and body, though, and even being so fine is hard to weigh down.
Anyway, I have had various hair stylists over the years tell me "You have fine hair, but a lot of it". My current stylist was talking to me about my hair last time I got it cut, and she even said something about my hair being thick.
I'm just kinda baffled by this. I mean, I understand you can have fine hair and a lot of it, but I don't FEEL like I have a lot of hair. Sure, when it's dry and curly it LOOKS like a lot. But when it's wet in the shower it feels like nothing. And you can see so much of my scalp when my hair is wet/damp/drying. And I have spots on my head where there are cowlicks and you can see the scalp even when it's dry.
So how is it possible that I have a lot of hair, or even a normal amount?
I call it medium density. But sometimes I think it's thin. It's too short to put in a ponytail right now for me to measure.
I know I probably sound really dumb, but this has really bugging me, and I hope someone can enlighten me.
Sorry for rambling! Thanks in advance!
Originally Posted by CurlyDiva71
WOW! I think I may have just found a hair twin with width and density! My experience is exactly the same.

It's mostly likely that you do have high density hair. My friend who is a hair stylist says she doesn't care how much my hair adds up to in a ponytail (a little over 3") it's thick; it's just so fine that it doesn't add up to as much. In fact it was just last week or the week before that I asked her this too.

I took the middle road when listing my density in my signature.
Originally Posted by Zeldahime
WOO HOO, Zeldahime! A hair twin! From your signature, your hair sounds just like mine, even down to what it likes ! I think I'm gonna go with medium-high density.
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3A, a mix of boticelli, corkicelli, and a few s-waves, baby fine, naturally porous, medium/high density

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LI: KCKT
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Last edited by CurlyDiva71; 05-12-2014 at 12:31 PM. Reason: wanted to add something
This is my pet peeve with the ponytail test for density, because obviously coarse hair is going to measure higher than fine or medium hair, even if the number of hairs is exactly the same. Someone with very fine hair shouldn't feel inferior because they have a smaller pony measurement (well, no one should). I have fine hair, but more to the medium side rather than baby fine, and about a 5" pony. It's still pretty flat when it gets wet. My son, on the other hand, has coarse and very dense 3b hair, and it doesn't really flatten out much when it's wet. I'd bet we probably have about the same number of hairs, but his ponytail would probably be a good 6" (his hair is too short to measure) because the individual strands are so much thicker.
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Yeah, Curlyinthefog, that's why it gets confusing. I know I have a large amount of fine hairs on my head, but they don't add up to a lot in a ponytail, even though I probably have the same amount of hair as someone with coarser strands, even though their ponytail looks bigger.

I feel a lot better now calling my hair medium/high density. I just didn't want to be an imposter. lol

3A, a mix of boticelli, corkicelli, and a few s-waves, baby fine, naturally porous, medium/high density

Pre-poo: coconut oil
Co-wash: TJ's Tea Tree Tingle, Sauve Naturals, VO5, As I Am coconut co-wash
Conditioner: TJ's Nourish, Tresseme Naturals, Sauve Naturals coconut, SM Coconut & Hibiscus
LI: KCKT
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EcoStyler Krystal (new HG!!!), BRHG
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Color treated with demi-permanent color to cover first grays
Yeah, Curlyinthefog, that's why it gets confusing. I know I have a large amount of fine hairs on my head, but they don't add up to a lot in a ponytail, even though I probably have the same amount of hair as someone with coarser strands, even though their ponytail looks bigger.

I feel a lot better now calling my hair medium/high density. I just didn't want to be an imposter. lol
Originally Posted by CurlyDiva71
Impostor! LOL, I know that feeling too. When I first came on here, my hair was too short to pony tail so I, going by memory of having a small pony in comparison to others, said low density at first. Then through some info gained in a thread of mine I removed it for a while in doubt of that assessment until I spoke with my friend.

Hooray to fine but thick haired curlies!
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Very fine, high porosity, currently dyed and growing out the relaxed portions. I'm pretty sure my hair's 3b something IIRC. We will be finding out for sure as time goes by.

It's official: My hair just loves Shea Moisture. I use a mixture of products from the Raw Shea Butter, African Black Soap, and Coconut & Hibiscus lines.
Yeah, Zeldahime, I kept changing my signature, because I just couldn't decide on the density.
I could just picture someone yelling "IMPOSTOR! IMPOSTOR!" Kick her off the board! lol
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3A, a mix of boticelli, corkicelli, and a few s-waves, baby fine, naturally porous, medium/high density

Pre-poo: coconut oil
Co-wash: TJ's Tea Tree Tingle, Sauve Naturals, VO5, As I Am coconut co-wash
Conditioner: TJ's Nourish, Tresseme Naturals, Sauve Naturals coconut, SM Coconut & Hibiscus
LI: KCKT
Styling: DevaCurl Light Defining Gel, HETT Mousse (HG's!)
EcoStyler Krystal (new HG!!!), BRHG
coconut oil or jojoba oil to SOTC
Color treated with demi-permanent color to cover first grays

Last edited by CurlyDiva71; 05-13-2014 at 06:54 PM. Reason: typo

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