Which protein treatment? - Aphogee, K-Pak, AO GPB?

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Hi all,

I've been having problems with what I think is over-conditioned hair since going cg and starting the cgm about two weeks ago.

I use Tresemme naturals nourishing moisture conditioner and creme of nature Argan shampoo (Sulphate/Silicone free), I've also been using boots pink curl creme, umberto gianini scrunching jelly and Boots blue/purple gel.

  • I've realised that I can't use Tresemme as a leave in as it is contributing to my soft, fluffy, poofy, undefined, curl-dropped-out hair (hence why I think it is over-conditioned).
  • I've realised that Low-pooing has helped my hair
  • I've ordered and used schwarzkopf Gliss conditioner (protein, it contains Hydrolysed collagen and keratin in the first few ingredients)
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My hair certainly hasn't complained about the protein, so I'd like to try introducing some more protein into my routine. I have been told about IAGirls PT but don't want to fuss about finding and buying gelatine sheets etc just yet (you can't really get powder in the uk and those sheets actually start to add up!) until I know if my hair will be happy with it.

I've looked on amazon and come across a variety of options, I'm hoping they are all cg friendly (I'm sure i've heard them all mentioned on here before).

Could anyone give me the low-down on any of these? Has any one used them, which one did you prefer etc.

  • Aubrey Organics - GPB Glycogen Protein Conditioner - Does this contain more protein than the schwarzkopf? Could I use it whenever I washed my hair?
  • Joico K-Pak Deep Penetrating Reconstructor Treatment for Damaged Hair
  • Aphogee Two Step Protein Treatment for Damaged Hair
  • ApHogee Intensive Two Minute Keratin Reconstructor

I'm beginning to think that although I'm pretty sure my hair texture is coarse/thick ( It is also High Density), my hair might be medium to low porosity? It is extremely resilient, I have never had a split end in my life, I get dry ends but it has never been damaged, never dyed, basically have never used heat on it and have never straightened, seems to get over-conditioned incredibly easily (maybe it is just healthy as it is and doesn't want me to put additional moisture in it?), takes 4 - 6 hours to air dry, takes a little while to get wet (rain beads on it before it actually gets wet and it seems to take a little while in the shower).

Maybe I need a less conditioning shampoo? I think it's safe to say that my hair needs to be shampooed whenever I wash to help strip some of the moisture out of it if i'm using conditioner. It seemed to be happy with an overnight coconut oil pre-poo, but i'm wondering if my creme of nature might be to moisturising for it.

It seems stupid for my hair to get over-conditioned so easily as i've always suffered from dry ends, and it's main problem has always been that it gets dry easily. What is going on?

Thank you for all your help!
I've used both the AO GPB and the K-Pak, AO always have lots of denatured alcohol in their products including the GPB conditioner/shampoo, on the conditioner it is actually the third ingredient. I prefer K-Pak over this.
Pre Shampoo: Olive Oil
Low Shampoo: Redken Curvaceous Cream Shampoo
Conditioner: Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Moisture
Treatments: SM Yucca & Baobab Masque/SM African Black Soap Masque/Joico K-Pak Reconstructor
Leave in/Oil:Castor Oil/Redken Diamond Oil Conditioner
Styling: AG Recoil Curl Activator/V05 Mega Hold/Cornstarch
Refresh: Redken Fresh Curls Curl Boost


Waist Length, 2B with 2C ends
I've used the 2 step treatment- it wasn't my favorite but it wasn't horrible. What I liked about it was that it included a moisture step after the protein application. It does have a bit of an off putting smell but it wasn't horrible to me. I also got a little impatient waiting for it to completely dry before I rinsed it out- I don't have a hooded dryer so I was drying it with a handheld dryer. This may have been the problem, and that it made me itch wherever it dripped on my skin. However if you are thinking that you are overconditioned, I would try protein without using conditioner after. You could even start by just leaving in the protein conditioner that you are currently rinsing out, then styling as usual.

By singling out the protein application you will be better able to determine if overconditioning is the problem you are having. If you keep using conditioner with the (or on top of) protein you are kind of muddying the effects of seeing if the protein is helping- I guess is another way to say where my thoughts are going. However, I could be very wrong.

You will know if the protein is the solution if your hair does what you were looking for with no extra conditioner after protein application. On the other side of that: if you do the straight treatment or use the protein conditioner for awhile as your leave in and your hair gets better then begins to be just as dry, then you will know that it is a moisture problem at this point and can lay off of the proteins for a bit.
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3C/4A, fine texture, low-medium density, and low porosity
CG since November 2013.

Pre-Poo: infrequent now, Coconut Oil overnight
Shampoo: Curls unleashed/for occasional sulfate wash when needed, everlasting sunshine.
Conditioner: Suave Naturals Everlasting Sunshine and GVP's conditioning balm.
Styler: iagirl's flaxseed curl cream or gelatin gel/conditioner mix. <3
PT: iagirl's gelatin treatment 3-4 times a month, with conditioner/honey/avj
Ok, so i'll rule out the AO and go for the K-Pak or the Aphogee.

lol918 - I have only used my sulphate/silicone free shampoo (creme of nature) and my protein conditioner (schwarzkopf) today and my hair seems better although still not quite right.

It might be that this will be enough over time, but I think I might as well try giving it a real shot of protein. Before I do that though, I like your idea of leaving the schwarzkopf on as a leave-in. My hair doesn't seem to like me leaving conditioner in however as it is a protein one do you think it is worth a try? Also, it says to rinse out on the bottle, would ignoring this cause problems?

I will definitely try the K-Pak or Aphogee after though, if it seems to like mt leaving it in/gets better with my using the protein conditioner. I will keep an eye on whether or not it starts to get dry as well, and condition if it does!
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I totally agree with your thinking of giving it a real shot of protein. I decided to add being able to leave in your rinse out so that you didn't necessarily have to go spend money on more products without knowing if that was truly the problem.

I've been using my rinse outs to style for months now (I started cging at the end of November), with hair that is only getting better. My routine is to wash with shampoo or wash with conditioner, then rinse out. If I used shampoo in step one, I apply conditioner, either way I detangle before I rinse. Then, since I have low porosity hair, I plop in a t-shirt until my hair is more damp than dry, mix up a conditioner/flax seed gel/honey concoction, then style my hair. Right now I don't use a protein containing conditioner, just do the treatments.

It sounds like you're doing a great job getting down to the bottom of what will work for you! When you do the treatment, you could also try doing your wash day with shampoo then apply the treatment without doing a conditioner step. When you go to rinse out the treatment, if your hair feels too dry or stiff then use the conditioner. If it feels soft and silky at that point, you could probably be okay with just going straight to your styling products.
3C/4A, fine texture, low-medium density, and low porosity
CG since November 2013.

Pre-Poo: infrequent now, Coconut Oil overnight
Shampoo: Curls unleashed/for occasional sulfate wash when needed, everlasting sunshine.
Conditioner: Suave Naturals Everlasting Sunshine and GVP's conditioning balm.
Styler: iagirl's flaxseed curl cream or gelatin gel/conditioner mix. <3
PT: iagirl's gelatin treatment 3-4 times a month, with conditioner/honey/avj
I honestly don't know what all you have there in the UK but if you have a sally's or something similar where you can get the Colorful Neutral Protein Filler you can use that for a PT and bonus you can also put it into your conditioner or whatever that doesn't have protein to get some extra protein in your daily routine.

I live in the US so the cheapest protein treatment for me has always just been the IAgirl gelatin and maybe a little CNPF in it for protein diversity so I haven't really tried anything else.

I've heard a lot of rave reviews for the CJ Repair Me.
CurlyDiva71 and CGSince2002 like this.
3a, fine, low/medium density, high porosity. Protein loving.

Lo poo: Nature's Gate Biotin Shampoo.
RO: Giovanni Smooth as Silk
LI: TN Nourishing Moisture, TN Radiant Volume
Styler: Garnier Fructis Curl Scrunch Gel with CNPF
PT: IAgirl's Gelatin PT
Many of us use rinse out conditioners as leave ins. I've been CG for over 2 years and have yet to buy a dedicated leave-in conditioner. I use one of my rinse outs instead and simply watch the amount I use.
CG since 11/2011
2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

Autumn Products /Routine:
Clarifying: ACV rinses, Suave Professional Men Deep Clean Peppermint
Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
Co-washes: VO5 Kiwi Lime Squeeze or Strawberries & Cream
RO: VO5 KLS or S&C, Cure Care
LI (if needed): VO5 S&C, VO5 KLS, Cure Care
Stylers: FSG, L'Oreal Studio Clean gel, Tresemme Flawless Curls Bouncy Curls gel
PT: IAGirl's as needed
In natural stores I always see boxes of soy protein powder or wheat protein powder (the ones that you use for shakes etc) and I always wonder if it would work using that for a protein treatment. It would be so simple, just add it to my conditioner or some oils or whatever...

Does anybody know if this would work?
In natural stores I always see boxes of soy protein powder or wheat protein powder (the ones that you use for shakes etc) and I always wonder if it would work using that for a protein treatment. It would be so simple, just add it to my conditioner or some oils or whatever...

Does anybody know if this would work?
Originally Posted by Karima
I'm not sure but I use unflavored gelatin for my PT's. If they are hydrolyzed proteins then probably most definitely. If they are whole proteins they are larger and not as effective at penetrating the hair shaft. It never hurts to try. You could alternatively buy neutral colorful protein filler at Sally's- you only need drops at a time from what I understand.

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3C/4A, fine texture, low-medium density, and low porosity
CG since November 2013.

Pre-Poo: infrequent now, Coconut Oil overnight
Shampoo: Curls unleashed/for occasional sulfate wash when needed, everlasting sunshine.
Conditioner: Suave Naturals Everlasting Sunshine and GVP's conditioning balm.
Styler: iagirl's flaxseed curl cream or gelatin gel/conditioner mix. <3
PT: iagirl's gelatin treatment 3-4 times a month, with conditioner/honey/avj
I've used gelatine before.. But I'm in holland and they only sell sheets here. Im not sure about the proportions because I didn't notice any effect after my previous treatments. It could be possible that my hair just wants more I guess... Do you know if there's any way you can tell what "size" a protein has? Would the label read different types of protein?

Sorry dont have a clue on how to find a good protein treatment for my hair type. We don't have too many cg products in holland either. Maybe I'll try gelatine again but play around with the proportion
The size won't be indicated per se but hydrolyzed any type of proteins (i.e. hydrolyzed soy protein, collagen, etc.) are smaller than whole proteins. I am in the u.s. but I think someone mentioned L'anza as having a pretty good protein product if that is available to you. If you don't mind the price I think curl junkie products can be shipped internationally. Sallys might also do international.

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3C/4A, fine texture, low-medium density, and low porosity
CG since November 2013.

Pre-Poo: infrequent now, Coconut Oil overnight
Shampoo: Curls unleashed/for occasional sulfate wash when needed, everlasting sunshine.
Conditioner: Suave Naturals Everlasting Sunshine and GVP's conditioning balm.
Styler: iagirl's flaxseed curl cream or gelatin gel/conditioner mix. <3
PT: iagirl's gelatin treatment 3-4 times a month, with conditioner/honey/avj
Great! I searched in hair supply shops and online for the brand l'anza and found a website. Looks good. Thank you!
CJ repair me is excellent. It is a PT but I've used it as an RO and even leave-in.
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2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
[/B]Cowash: Cure Care + water
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646

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