Porous Curlies, What is your High Dew Point Regimen?

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I've been doing the CG method since 2009 and I've never stopped learning new things! If you have any high dew point product recommendations, techniques, tips or tricks, please share them here.

Do you find you still need to use a leave-in conditioner under stylers? Less or More? Are you sealing your hair with an oil and if you are, which one(s) are you using? Can you use any stylers or leave-ins with glycerin without issues? Are you doing more protein treatments now? Do you have any pointers for fighting humidity induced frizz?

Thanks!
Upper Michigan Dews
3a ~ Fine ~ High Porosity ~ Normal Density

NoPoo: JC Cleansing Cream
Rinse Outs: SS:PRT, CJ Repair Me, CJ Argan
Detangler: KCKT
Leave-in: CJ Repair me
Stylers: UFDCM, BRHG
Refreshers: Batiste (dry shampoo) on the roots & UFDCM everywhere else

iHerb Discount Code: SAF007

I don't have a routine yet for humid (> 85%) and rainy days (I have more trouble with just humidity than high dews), but I'm going to experiment with coconut oil since the oil isn't that solid and crunchy on ends during spring and summer. I don't use gel (humectant rich one) on these days to try to beat flyaways since it doesn't work then.
Henna'd ✩ Waist-length (wet) ✩ Loose 3b ✩ High density
Very coarse & medium ✩ Kinkings ✩ Porous below shoulders: sun & old heat damage ✩ Low elasticity (wet)


Climate
Dew: 30s F
80-100% humidity

Clarify: YTCar poo
Low poo: Harmonie Familie
Co-wash&RO: Argan Care
Protein: Schwarzkopf Anti-klit
Styling LI: e.g. YTTom
Seal: sweet almond oil
Pre-wash: coconut + EVOO

: oils, dew = 50-60s F + 50-70% humidity, CG
: salt water, rain, high humidity, 'cones

Last edited by Fimu; 05-27-2014 at 04:33 PM.
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In all the years I lived in S. Florida, which is hot and humid for at least 8 months of the year, what saved me from frizz was using less oil and my trusted LALWL gel. I had it on when I arrived there one month ago and, man, that hot and heavy air hit my lungs so strongly I had to catch my breath... but my hair held on!
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Ahhh I don't seem to have high dews as my humidity is only 19% so far.



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M/C, Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
CO: Generic conditioner, Hair Academy Deep Cleansing CO
DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner,,NGJRC
GEL: WELLA New wave gel rock & hold, Rudyprofumi Hair Gel formula extra strong
DT: EVOO, C.O+protein condish

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Goal: WL when curly
CG since Feb 2014
@KaZenner, you need to check the dew points rather than the relative humidity. We've had dew points far above 70 F around here lately.
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3a/m/iii - waist length wet
Cleanser: Naturelle Volumizing
Conditioner/LI: Garnier Respons Avocadooil and Shea Butter, Schwarzkopf Gliss Ultimate Volume Conditioner
Styling: Eldorado Hairgel Strong
@KaZenner, you need to check the dew points rather than the relative humidity. We've had dew points far above 70 F around here lately.
Originally Posted by Jimipe

But dew isn't calculated by temperature and humidity percentage??? High humidity and high temperature means high dew point.

ETA: My dew point has been low on slightly entering mid range but today we have a likelyhood of rain so stats has changed to temp: 77 humidity: 43 and dews in 54. My hair has started to seem oily. Others like rain. My roots become flat if rain touches my head. Go figure!

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M/C, Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
CO: Generic conditioner, Hair Academy Deep Cleansing CO
DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner,,NGJRC
GEL: WELLA New wave gel rock & hold, Rudyprofumi Hair Gel formula extra strong
DT: EVOO, C.O+protein condish

HG
Goal: WL when curly
CG since Feb 2014

Last edited by KaZenner1990; 05-29-2014 at 06:00 AM.
Dews are a combination of temperature and relative humidity, yes. But a low humidity and a high temperature can still give fairly high dew points. Also, remember if you are looking at celsuis or fahrenheit...
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3a/m/iii - waist length wet
Cleanser: Naturelle Volumizing
Conditioner/LI: Garnier Respons Avocadooil and Shea Butter, Schwarzkopf Gliss Ultimate Volume Conditioner
Styling: Eldorado Hairgel Strong
Dews are a combination of temperature and relative humidity, yes. But a low humidity and a high temperature can still give fairly high dew points. Also, remember if you are looking at celsuis or fahrenheit...
Originally Posted by Jimipe
Really? I though low humidity meant low dew point!

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M/C, Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
CO: Generic conditioner, Hair Academy Deep Cleansing CO
DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner,,NGJRC
GEL: WELLA New wave gel rock & hold, Rudyprofumi Hair Gel formula extra strong
DT: EVOO, C.O+protein condish

HG
Goal: WL when curly
CG since Feb 2014
Well, yes and no. My favourite: Dew Point Calculator (both F and C and you can convert).
CG since 8th of September 2013 - learning in progress!

3a/m/iii - waist length wet
Cleanser: Naturelle Volumizing
Conditioner/LI: Garnier Respons Avocadooil and Shea Butter, Schwarzkopf Gliss Ultimate Volume Conditioner
Styling: Eldorado Hairgel Strong
@KAZenner1990 - Humidity and dewpoint both refer to moisture, but they aren't the same thing. In simplest terms, humidity is a measure of the amount of moisture in the air. Dewpoint is the temperature at which the moisture contained in the air will condense and fall to the ground either as dew or fog.

The past few weeks I've had comfortable temps /high humidity /high dews, comfortable temps /midrange humidity /high dews, high temps /humidity /dews, cool temps (59F) /high humidity /optimal dews, and even high temps /comfortable humidity /optimal dews. If you're interested, I can pull the actual numbers and post if it'd be helpful.

This blog post is an excellent explanation about dewpoints, humidity, the difference between the two, and how they relate to haircare. This article on nc.com is also excellent, though a bit more complicated: The 411 On Dew Points & Humectants . A quick place to find dewpoint, temp. and humidity is the Frizz Forecast here on nc.com, but don't go by the product recs there as they are inaccurate. Instead, use the recommendations in either article I linked.
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2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

Autumn Products /Routine:
Clarifying: ACV rinses, Suave Professional Men Deep Clean Peppermint
Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
Co-washes: VO5 Kiwi Lime Squeeze or Strawberries & Cream
RO: VO5 KLS or S&C, Cure Care
LI (if needed): VO5 S&C, VO5 KLS, Cure Care
Stylers: FSG, L'Oreal Studio Clean gel, Tresemme Flawless Curls Bouncy Curls gel
PT: IAGirl's as needed
@KAZenner1990 - Humidity and dewpoint both refer to moisture, but they aren't the same thing. In simplest terms, humidity is a measure of the amount of moisture in the air. Dewpoint is the temperature at which the moisture contained in the air will condense and fall to the ground either as dew or fog.

The past few weeks I've had comfortable temps /high humidity /high dews, comfortable temps /midrange humidity /high dews, high temps /humidity /dews, cool temps (59F) /high humidity /optimal dews, and even high temps /comfortable humidity /optimal dews. If you're interested, I can pull the actual numbers and post if it'd be helpful.

This blog post is an excellent explanation about dewpoints, humidity, the difference between the two, and how they relate to haircare. This article on nc.com is also excellent, though a bit more complicated: The 411 On Dew Points & Humectants . A quick place to find dewpoint, temp. and humidity is the Frizz Forecast here on nc.com, but don't go by the product recs there as they are inaccurate. Instead, use the recommendations in either article I linked.
Originally Posted by Geek_Chic

That actually means you never know your dews until you check lol. I know the difference between them but I thought I could.calculate dews from temp.


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2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Color Treated
M/C, Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
CO: Generic conditioner, Hair Academy Deep Cleansing CO
DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner,,NGJRC
GEL: WELLA New wave gel rock & hold, Rudyprofumi Hair Gel formula extra strong
DT: EVOO, C.O+protein condish

HG
Goal: WL when curly
CG since Feb 2014
@KAZenner1990 - Humidity and dewpoint both refer to moisture, but they aren't the same thing. In simplest terms, humidity is a measure of the amount of moisture in the air. Dewpoint is the temperature at which the moisture contained in the air will condense and fall to the ground either as dew or fog.

The past few weeks I've had comfortable temps /high humidity /high dews, comfortable temps /midrange humidity /high dews, high temps /humidity /dews, cool temps (59F) /high humidity /optimal dews, and even high temps /comfortable humidity /optimal dews. If you're interested, I can pull the actual numbers and post if it'd be helpful.

This blog post is an excellent explanation about dewpoints, humidity, the difference between the two, and how they relate to haircare. This article on nc.com is also excellent, though a bit more complicated: The 411 On Dew Points & Humectants . A quick place to find dewpoint, temp. and humidity is the Frizz Forecast here on nc.com, but don't go by the product recs there as they are inaccurate. Instead, use the recommendations in either article I linked.
Originally Posted by Geek_Chic

That actually means you never know your dews until you check lol. I know the difference between them but I thought I could.calculate dews from temp.


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Originally Posted by KaZenner1990
Oh, sorry about that. You can calculate dewpoints if you know the temperature and humidity, but it takes algebra. This page discusses that: How to Calculate Dew Point Using a Dew Point Humidity Formula or Psychrometric Chart. This page will do the calculation for you in either Fahrenheit or Celsius: Temperature, Dewpoint, and Relative Humidity Calculator. I'm not really a math person, so personally, I don't want to have to do daily algebra to decide what to do with my hair. I highly prefer just checking the Frizz Forecast (I use the 5 day to get a daily average) to check on dewpoint.
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2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

Autumn Products /Routine:
Clarifying: ACV rinses, Suave Professional Men Deep Clean Peppermint
Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
Co-washes: VO5 Kiwi Lime Squeeze or Strawberries & Cream
RO: VO5 KLS or S&C, Cure Care
LI (if needed): VO5 S&C, VO5 KLS, Cure Care
Stylers: FSG, L'Oreal Studio Clean gel, Tresemme Flawless Curls Bouncy Curls gel
PT: IAGirl's as needed
I usually check the Frizz Forecast a lot to see what my poor-ous hair will be wanting that day... But something didn't seem right this week (it felt like more normal dews when the forecast was predicting high dews!).

This week at least, Frizz Forecast was predicting completely different dew points than forecast.weather.gov (NOAA's site), at least for my region. Just an FYI.
Smorgasbord of finer, porous 2a-3a; straight underlayer

collagen
humectants outside of optimal dews, PVP, oils/butters, anything remotely comedogenic

poos: Giovanni TTT, Suave Clarifying
condishes: VO5 VMT, KLS; IonEC
stylers: FSG, 4NSBCC, Volumax, GFPC


Mod CG since 11/2012. My waves occasionally look best when combed out, so you can pry my combs from my cold, dead hands
I use the Android app (not the widget) AccuWeather to check the humidity and dews at the moment.
Henna'd ✩ Waist-length (wet) ✩ Loose 3b ✩ High density
Very coarse & medium ✩ Kinkings ✩ Porous below shoulders: sun & old heat damage ✩ Low elasticity (wet)


Climate
Dew: 30s F
80-100% humidity

Clarify: YTCar poo
Low poo: Harmonie Familie
Co-wash&RO: Argan Care
Protein: Schwarzkopf Anti-klit
Styling LI: e.g. YTTom
Seal: sweet almond oil
Pre-wash: coconut + EVOO

: oils, dew = 50-60s F + 50-70% humidity, CG
: salt water, rain, high humidity, 'cones
I use the Android app (not the widget) AccuWeather to check the humidity and dews at the moment.
Originally Posted by Fimu

I do too but my hair reacts so weirdly!! It shows midrange dew point and I have so damn frizz >.<
2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Color Treated
M/C, Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
CO: Generic conditioner, Hair Academy Deep Cleansing CO
DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner,,NGJRC
GEL: WELLA New wave gel rock & hold, Rudyprofumi Hair Gel formula extra strong
DT: EVOO, C.O+protein condish

HG
Goal: WL when curly
CG since Feb 2014
I do too but my hair reacts so weirdly!! It shows midrange dew point and I have so damn frizz >.
Originally Posted by KaZenner1990
My hair also frizzed once during a normal dew (11 C), but I had frizz on that day because the humidity was over 90%.

So maybe your hair reacts more quickly on solely humidity than high dews?
Henna'd ✩ Waist-length (wet) ✩ Loose 3b ✩ High density
Very coarse & medium ✩ Kinkings ✩ Porous below shoulders: sun & old heat damage ✩ Low elasticity (wet)


Climate
Dew: 30s F
80-100% humidity

Clarify: YTCar poo
Low poo: Harmonie Familie
Co-wash&RO: Argan Care
Protein: Schwarzkopf Anti-klit
Styling LI: e.g. YTTom
Seal: sweet almond oil
Pre-wash: coconut + EVOO

: oils, dew = 50-60s F + 50-70% humidity, CG
: salt water, rain, high humidity, 'cones

Last edited by Fimu; 06-01-2014 at 04:25 AM.
I do too but my hair reacts so weirdly!! It shows midrange dew point and I have so damn frizz >.
Originally Posted by KaZenner1990
My hair also frizzed once during a normal dew (11 C), but I had frizz on that day because the humidity was over 90%.

So maybe your hair reacts more quickly on solely humidity than high dews?
Originally Posted by Fimu

Right now we have dew point 40-60 range and 31% humidity. I haven't done a pre poo treatment for quite awhile. Maybe I should try that before cleansing.



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M/C, Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
CO: Generic conditioner, Hair Academy Deep Cleansing CO
DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner,,NGJRC
GEL: WELLA New wave gel rock & hold, Rudyprofumi Hair Gel formula extra strong
DT: EVOO, C.O+protein condish

HG
Goal: WL when curly
CG since Feb 2014
For me if the dews go over 50 I start to get high-dew frizz... I read somewhere that the more porous you are, the lower the "ultimate curls" range are, as your hair is more sensitive to the moisture in the air.
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3a/m/iii - waist length wet
Cleanser: Naturelle Volumizing
Conditioner/LI: Garnier Respons Avocadooil and Shea Butter, Schwarzkopf Gliss Ultimate Volume Conditioner
Styling: Eldorado Hairgel Strong
For me if the dews go over 50 I start to get high-dew frizz... I read somewhere that the more porous you are, the lower the "ultimate curls" range are, as your hair is more sensitive to the moisture in the air.
Originally Posted by Jimipe

You know that would.made indeed sense.because my hair.was so cooperative on 30-40 range. And what do.you do about that frizz??



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2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Color Treated
M/C, Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
CO: Generic conditioner, Hair Academy Deep Cleansing CO
DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner,,NGJRC
GEL: WELLA New wave gel rock & hold, Rudyprofumi Hair Gel formula extra strong
DT: EVOO, C.O+protein condish

HG
Goal: WL when curly
CG since Feb 2014
For me if the dews go over 50 I start to get high-dew frizz... I read somewhere that the more porous you are, the lower the "ultimate curls" range are, as your hair is more sensitive to the moisture in the air.
Originally Posted by Jimipe

You know that would.made indeed sense.because my hair.was so cooperative on 30-40 range. And what do.you do about that frizz??

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Originally Posted by KaZenner1990
Jimpie's right. I have heard that more porous curlies can start reacting to dewpoints as low as 50 as if they're high dews, where less porous curlies have that issue more when dews climb above 60.

You might try sealing with a tiny bit of a straight oil between your LI and gel. You could also add a few drops of oil to your LI before applying, or try a LI with some oil (or other anti-humectant) in the formula.
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CG since 11/2011
2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

Autumn Products /Routine:
Clarifying: ACV rinses, Suave Professional Men Deep Clean Peppermint
Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
Co-washes: VO5 Kiwi Lime Squeeze or Strawberries & Cream
RO: VO5 KLS or S&C, Cure Care
LI (if needed): VO5 S&C, VO5 KLS, Cure Care
Stylers: FSG, L'Oreal Studio Clean gel, Tresemme Flawless Curls Bouncy Curls gel
PT: IAGirl's as needed

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