holy curls batman! but zigzag shapes/diffuser

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  • 1 Post By CGSince2002

Hi all,

So, first of all, I found a sort of HG to get my hair to curl more. Stronger gelatin gel (3/4 tsp to 1/2 cup water), mixed with hydrolyzed keratin protein (3/4 tsp… think I went a bit overboard on protein, as the gel was a little sticky). It made my curls so much stronger and less weighed down by product. It encouraged shrinkage (a good thing for my hair). It formed a nice hard cast. So this is a keeper, and will alternate the protein in it. I'd recommend this for people with fine hair that gets easily weighed down, and whose hair craves protein.

Okay, now for the second part. I need work on my technique. My hair was so eager to take shape of whatever touched it, that the diffuser made it go a bit haywire. At first, all was good. But I think some pieces stuck out sometimes as it dried. At any rate, I got weird straight bits and some huge zigzags instead of curls. Should I try using less hair at a time in the diffuser? More hair? I know I need to experiment, but wanted to ask people more experienced than me. I was using SMasters technique. med/high heat to start, then brief higher heat to finish. I also kept my hair flipped forward, but I think the back hairs got too encouraged to move to the front, causing tangles and weird patterns. So, while I am optimistic about my curl possibilities, I need some more practice and advice on my diffuser technique so I end up with actual curls. Any advice much appreciated, TIA!
I use a diffuser attachment on my blow dryer. However, I dry my hair on the coolest setting. If I use heat to dry my curls, i will end up with an Afro puff. Not cute. I also shake my head around which helps my curls form after detangling.
I use a diffuser attachment on my blow dryer. However, I dry my hair on the coolest setting. If I use heat to dry my curls, i will end up with an Afro puff. Not cute. I also shake my head around which helps my curls form after detangling.
Originally Posted by curlicious13
Do you shake your head prior to diffusing? And when you say after detangling, do you mean you comb your hair after you're done showering? Maybe I'll try lower heat, but my hair takes forever to dry. I should consider forgoing the high heat at the end though, as I think that's when the worst weird squashed shapes might have popped out.
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See? The more concentrated gel does work better!

Try holding less hair in the cup and maybe just go up and down slowly instead of just holding the cup against your head (if that's what you were doing...), that "accordion" motion done with the palm of my hand also works for me to return curl to my hair when it goes straight after applying product. I only flip upside down to dry the nape area after the rest of the hair has begun to form a cast, otherwise my hair will do weird things. So when I diffuse I just bend to the sides. And I do the reverse, I start on high and finish with low heat. Also, after that thread you had about SOTC I've been breaking up the crunch partially halfway through the drying process to speed it up.
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Indeed! And adding keratin to the mix = hair bliss. I regularly find 3a ringlets now (though only a few). I was thinking of ditching FSG because it straightens my hair and greases it up, esp if I apply as much as most ppl seem to.

But a strong hold gelatin was for my hair, and I may try it as strong as you one day. Also it gives me much better 2nd day hair. The curls stay intact. I may get some straight bits or some frizz, but overall I can tumble out of bed and look like I have curls. What to do with those bits remains a mystery because products just sit on top of my hair. Aloe vera gel is nice and light and initially will finger coil nicely but as the day wears on it straightens my hair again (too much product on the hair I think… maybe smoothing some water in would help it at least distribute better).

I've actually been doing as you suggested lately (only gotten to wash hair once or twice since though)…. less hair in the cup. Also not finishing with very high heat. And not drying upside down except for my front pieces. And I apparently was holding the dryer in place for too long in one spot. If there is a weird angle, it has time to reform if you only hold the dryer in one spot for 10-30 seconds or so. Before I'd been trying as long as two minutes in one spot. It curled my hair more, but past a certain point it was just too much and would squish/zigzag/lose curl.

Has SOTC early been all right for you? I did it the other day, and got frizz, but, not nearly as much as before, and definitely acceptable to leave the house with. That's progress! I have a feeling that how strong the hold is has to do with SOTC early successfully.

I also wonder… not using FSG might leave me with stringy curls, but less clumps means less weight and might encourage more curl. My 3a pieces were a mix of the thinner curls (the first day) and thicker clumps (the 2nd day). But the most curly were the thinner strands. I plan to experiment with ditching FSG tomorrow (will have 3rd day hair) when I most likely will need to wash.
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Ah yes, you did mention keratin. What did you get?

I do hold the cup close to my scalp sometimes but not anywhere as long as you! I count slowly but usually can't even get to 20 before my scalps starts feeling the heat and at that point I move to another part of my head. In total I probably just diffuse for no more than 5 min., past a certain point the hair on my side/front starts to frizz, several times I've had to rewet some of the curls when I'm done.

I really haven't SOTC early every time but when I have I've been as gentle as possible, sometimes all I do is the "hair shake" at the roots to separate the hair from the scalp, and if most of the hair is indeed dry I'll go ahead with my "twist" and so far so good.

I think what happened with the aloe is that the "bond" that holds the curls together just wears out fast. Did you get to try it with honey and still didn't make a difference?

The first time I tried FSG my hair was pretty long and it didn't do anything much, but then when my hair was shorter it worked great, the only thing is that to get sufficient hold I'd first have to squeeze all the water out and wrap my hair in my microfiber Turbi-twist so the water in my hair would not dilute the FSG. But I always added Epsom salt to mine so maybe the enhanced curling I got came from that too.
Ah yes, you did mention keratin. What did you get?

I do hold the cup close to my scalp sometimes but not anywhere as long as you! I count slowly but usually can't even get to 20 before my scalps starts feeling the heat and at that point I move to another part of my head. In total I probably just diffuse for no more than 5 min., past a certain point the hair on my side/front starts to frizz, several times I've had to rewet some of the curls when I'm done.

I really haven't SOTC early every time but when I have I've been as gentle as possible, sometimes all I do is the "hair shake" at the roots to separate the hair from the scalp, and if most of the hair is indeed dry I'll go ahead with my "twist" and so far so good.

I think what happened with the aloe is that the "bond" that holds the curls together just wears out fast. Did you get to try it with honey and still didn't make a difference?

The first time I tried FSG my hair was pretty long and it didn't do anything much, but then when my hair was shorter it worked great, the only thing is that to get sufficient hold I'd first have to squeeze all the water out and wrap my hair in my microfiber Turbi-twist so the water in my hair would not dilute the FSG. But I always added Epsom salt to mine so maybe the enhanced curling I got came from that too.
Originally Posted by CGSince2002
I don't remember about the protein, but I think garden of wisdom or ingredients to die for. Google search should direct you to some places to purchase.

I use aloe gel on 2nd day hair, so just straight from the bottle, didn't want any fuss. I'm guessing I would have to heat up the aloe with honey? Too much honey greases up my hair (lol, big surprise). Maybe I can put the slightest touch of gelatin on my hands to mix with the aloe.

I've added a pinch of epsom salt to my PTs which I rinse out, but not to actual finished hair products. I was worried about my hair getting dried out, since when I make a batch or product I use it for two weeks continuously (every other day). But I'm curious to try it one of these days, bet I'd get more ringlets. My hair always did well at the beach and maybe I'm one of those folks who won't get affected (since moisturizing my hair is never an issue). Plus perhaps keratin protein treatments help undo whatever damage salt may do. Maybe I should try the salt as a separate spray, not part of my products, so I can use it once in awhile underneath my hair gel.
@CGSince2002-I use a product with keratin fibers in it called XFusion. It is a sprinkle on powder I order from Amazon. As I cowash or nopoo my hair and its wet, the clumps that form go all the way to the scalp leaving many places that show pink scalp, since my roots are silver white. I do not like that so i sprinkle this powder on the crown roots only by lifting the curls and tapping the powder on my scalp..Miracle product for hiding that pink scalp and giving the illusion of thicker hair. You can get a color to blend with your hair color. Does not come off until washed out.
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I don't remember about the protein, but I think garden of wisdom or ingredients to die for. Google search should direct you to some places to purchase.

I use aloe gel on 2nd day hair, so just straight from the bottle, didn't want any fuss. I'm guessing I would have to heat up the aloe with honey? Too much honey greases up my hair (lol, big surprise). Maybe I can put the slightest touch of gelatin on my hands to mix with the aloe.

I've added a pinch of epsom salt to my PTs which I rinse out, but not to actual finished hair products. I was worried about my hair getting dried out, since when I make a batch or product I use it for two weeks continuously (every other day). But I'm curious to try it one of these days, bet I'd get more ringlets. My hair always did well at the beach and maybe I'm one of those folks who won't get affected (since moisturizing my hair is never an issue). Plus perhaps keratin protein treatments help undo whatever damage salt may do. Maybe I should try the salt as a separate spray, not part of my products, so I can use it once in awhile underneath my hair gel.
Originally Posted by naturecat
I wouldn't heat up the aloe and honey. Since you have the juice kind aloe I'd just pour it in an applicator bottle and add like 1/8-1/4 tsp. of honey and shake until they're well mixed. Or mix it in a small bowl with a spoon.

I have a separate spray with E.S. + honey, so you can make one without the honey and even add a pinch of regular or sea salt for an occasional curl boost.


@CGSince2002-I use a product with keratin fibers in it called XFusion. It is a sprinkle on powder I order from Amazon. As I cowash or nopoo my hair and its wet, the clumps that form go all the way to the scalp leaving many places that show pink scalp, since my roots are silver white. I do not like that so i sprinkle this powder on the crown roots only by lifting the curls and tapping the powder on my scalp..Miracle product for hiding that pink scalp and giving the illusion of thicker hair. You can get a color to blend with your hair color. Does not come off until washed out.
Originally Posted by CurlyInParadise
I was really asking out of curiosity, I still have some "Colorful Protein Filler" that I add in tiny amounts occasionally to a LI. But I did look up the product you mentioned because now that I've lightened my hair more, the "whorl" I have on the left side of my crown was making my pink scalp quite visible yesterday. It usually only shows when I part my hair on the left (but I feel funny parting it on the right...), but yesterday I had a middle part and it was still showing... However, that product is out of my $$ range right now so I may have to find a "creative" (inexpensive) way to get around this. But thank you for mentioning it because it was a coincidence that I noticed my scalp showing and at least now I know there could be a solution for that if it continues to be an issue.


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