Over-Conditioned Hair

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I recently over-condtioned my hair and I was wondering how long does it usually take to recover from it? I did two gelatin protein treatment, but if I use any conditioner, my hair becomes over-condtioned. I have a lot of conditioner which I would like to be able to use, but is it possible to end up being able to use conditioner again, just as before?
3b, low porosity, high density, medium hair

Current Products:
  • Dr. Mercola Shampoo or diluted sulfate
  • Either Giovanni Tea Tree Conditioner or Nature's Gate Pomegranate Sunflower Conditioner
  • Gelatin as protein treatment
  • Flaxseed + gelatin as hair gel
Techniques: Scrunching + Plopping Overnight


I recently over-condtioned my hair and I was wondering how long does it usually take to recover from it? I did two gelatin protein treatment, but if I use any conditioner, my hair becomes over-condtioned. I have a lot of conditioner which I would like to be able to use, but is it possible to end up being able to use conditioner again, just as before?
Originally Posted by EverydayCurls
Boy is this topic near to my heart. It took me a bunch of protein treatments, but after a few I usually recover. And I can use conditioner. Just not too much! I think for now you may have to treat your hair like you just did a deep treatment, so right now it's probably conditioned enough not to need more conditioner.
Boy is this topic near to my heart. It took me a bunch of protein treatments, but after a few I usually recover. And I can use conditioner. Just not too much! I think for now you may have to treat your hair like you just did a deep treatment, so right now it's probably conditioned enough not to need more conditioner.
Originally Posted by naturecat
I will do another protein treatment either today or next week, so hopefully my hair will be ok after that. If I let my hair dry without any gelatin gel, it feels too soft and won't clump well. About a week ago, since I had a bit of frizz, I decided to use some leave-in conditioner, and my hair ended up looking more like 3a with 2c instead of mostly 3b.
3b, low porosity, high density, medium hair

Current Products:
  • Dr. Mercola Shampoo or diluted sulfate
  • Either Giovanni Tea Tree Conditioner or Nature's Gate Pomegranate Sunflower Conditioner
  • Gelatin as protein treatment
  • Flaxseed + gelatin as hair gel
Techniques: Scrunching + Plopping Overnight


Are you sure you aren't getting buildup and mistaking it for being over-conditioned? What does your hair feel like? If using lots of protein, this can cause buildup in itself. Usually if I get over-conditioned, it's fixed with another shampoo and different conditioner in the same day. Hair gets very mushy when wet if over-conditioned. It's easy to mistake the two.
2c-3a - coarse - normal-high porosity - high density - growing out to donate

NP/LP: KMF Whenever Cond./ Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: CJ Argan & Olive Oil, KCKT, YTCucs
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: SM Elixir / KCCC, SS CEJ
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
Are you sure you aren't getting buildup and mistaking it for being over-conditioned? What does your hair feel like? If using lots of protein, this can cause buildup in itself. Usually if I get over-conditioned, it's fixed with another shampoo and different conditioner in the same day. Hair gets very mushy when wet if over-conditioned. It's easy to mistake the two.
Originally Posted by sixelamy
I doubt it's build up because I even washed my hair with sulfate shampoo in order to really clean. I only did a protein treatment twice, after which my hair looked better, so I also think that it's probably not too much protein. When I rinse out the protein, my hair feels normal (not stiff like most people say). When I use the gelatin gel, my hair seems normal, but if I let it dry without any products in my hair, it feels too soft and light, and won't clump. My hair normally still curls fine without products, but used to be very frizzy. When wet, my hair isn't mushy (not sure what mushy hair feels like though), but it still feels a bit softer than normal.
3b, low porosity, high density, medium hair

Current Products:
  • Dr. Mercola Shampoo or diluted sulfate
  • Either Giovanni Tea Tree Conditioner or Nature's Gate Pomegranate Sunflower Conditioner
  • Gelatin as protein treatment
  • Flaxseed + gelatin as hair gel
Techniques: Scrunching + Plopping Overnight


Excuse the ignorance (pretty new here!) but what are the 'signs' of overconditioning?
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Excuse the ignorance (pretty new here!) but what are the 'signs' of overconditioning?
Originally Posted by Katek
Do not worry. Learning is good. Over-conditioned hair is a lot of things.
From mussy feeling hair when wet, something like spaghetti like, to overly soft and frizzy when dry. Greasy looking, limp curls, loss.of definition. Or cotton candy when dry. I have that problem. I am sure I used way too much yesterday when I dyed my hair but I think it needs protein to come back to its shape.

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2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Color Treated
M/C, Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
CO: Generic conditioner, Hair Academy Deep Cleansing CO
DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner,,NGJRC
GEL: WELLA New wave gel rock & hold, Rudyprofumi Hair Gel formula extra strong
DT: EVOO, C.O+protein condish

HG
Goal: WL when curly
CG since Feb 2014
@Everyday Curls

If your hair doesn't feel rough or stiff after protein treatments I wouldn't use a conditioner.
I would stay away from it. Lately I stopped pre-poo because my hair wasn't needing it but after my dye I have a feeling that my hair needs some protein.

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2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Color Treated
M/C, Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
CO: Generic conditioner, Hair Academy Deep Cleansing CO
DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner,,NGJRC
GEL: WELLA New wave gel rock & hold, Rudyprofumi Hair Gel formula extra strong
DT: EVOO, C.O+protein condish

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Goal: WL when curly
CG since Feb 2014
Think of it like squishing seawood through your fingers.. that's kinda like what over-conditioned hair feels like when it's wet.

EverydayCurls - what conditioner are you using to leave in? Or are you using different ones?
2c-3a - coarse - normal-high porosity - high density - growing out to donate

NP/LP: KMF Whenever Cond./ Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: CJ Argan & Olive Oil, KCKT, YTCucs
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: SM Elixir / KCCC, SS CEJ
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
Think of it like squishing seawood through your fingers.. that's kinda like what over-conditioned hair feels like when it's wet.

EverydayCurls - what conditioner are you using to leave in? Or are you using different ones?
Originally Posted by sixelamy
My hair is soft when wet, but I don't think it's like seaweed. As a leave-in conditioner, I used to use Mercola Conditioner mixed with water, but last time I tried a tiny bit of my friend's Gud (burts bees) conditioner as leave-in. It loosened my curls once dry and made it poofier. I also recently bought the Nature Gate pomegranate sunflower conditioner, which has some protein, and tried it as a RO, but my hair still felt overconditoned.

@Everyday Curls

If your hair doesn't feel rough or stiff after protein treatments I wouldn't use a conditioner.
I would stay away from it. Lately I stopped pre-poo because my hair wasn't needing it but after my dye I have a feeling that my hair needs some protein.

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Originally Posted by KaZenner1990
That's what I've been trying for now. I'll probably try another PT in a bit. I just wanted to know if it's possible to go back to 'before' when I used conditioner.
3b, low porosity, high density, medium hair

Current Products:
  • Dr. Mercola Shampoo or diluted sulfate
  • Either Giovanni Tea Tree Conditioner or Nature's Gate Pomegranate Sunflower Conditioner
  • Gelatin as protein treatment
  • Flaxseed + gelatin as hair gel
Techniques: Scrunching + Plopping Overnight



Last edited by EverydayCurls; 07-18-2014 at 09:37 AM.
That's what I've been trying for now. I'll probably try another PT in a bit. I just wanted to know if it's possible to go back to 'before' when I used conditioner.
Originally Posted by EverydayCurls
Definitely. My whole first year of being CG (in that I used BS/ACV to wash) I had straight-ish hair, with an elongated wave pattern or waves only at the bottom. My hair was always greasy and over conditioned. After a whole year of that, I did my first PT, tried some gel and was like, what, I still have curl in my hair?! In fact after my first time of trying that, I posted the pic that is now my avatar pic. Clearly not straight hair. I've OC'd several times since then, including yesterday. The curl is just waiting to spring back. Within a week I'd say. Also, perhaps it's possible that your hair, being in better condition, needs less conditioner overall… that's one thing I've found on my CG journey…. less is more. I use water to distribute conditioner in my hair rather than trying to put some everywhere.

Edited to add: I notice you're using shampoo bars. I find those helpful in getting out any "excess" conditioner in my hair, or at least the clarifying ones (with soap nuts). So I think just keep doing what you're doing!

Last edited by naturecat; 07-18-2014 at 12:21 PM.
That's what I've been trying for now. I'll probably try another PT in a bit. I just wanted to know if it's possible to go back to 'before' when I used conditioner.
Originally Posted by EverydayCurls
Definitely. My whole first year of being CG (in that I used BS/ACV to wash) I had straight-ish hair, with an elongated wave pattern or waves only at the bottom. My hair was always greasy and over conditioned. After a whole year of that, I did my first PT, tried some gel and was like, what, I still have curl in my hair?! In fact after my first time of trying that, I posted the pic that is now my avatar pic. Clearly not straight hair. I've OC'd several times since then, including yesterday. The curl is just waiting to spring back. Within a week I'd say. Also, perhaps it's possible that your hair, being in better condition, needs less conditioner overall… that's one thing I've found on my CG journey…. less is more. I use water to distribute conditioner in my hair rather than trying to put some everywhere.

Edited to add: I notice you're using shampoo bars. I find those helpful in getting out any "excess" conditioner in my hair, or at least the clarifying ones (with soap nuts). So I think just keep doing what you're doing!
Originally Posted by naturecat
Oh I was thinking of you and wanted to suggest her gelatin gel as styler!!!

I find that my hair after dying needs protein boost. I will wait the 48 hours to pass and do a DC with protein.
2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Color Treated
M/C, Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
CO: Generic conditioner, Hair Academy Deep Cleansing CO
DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner,,NGJRC
GEL: WELLA New wave gel rock & hold, Rudyprofumi Hair Gel formula extra strong
DT: EVOO, C.O+protein condish

HG
Goal: WL when curly
CG since Feb 2014
Definitely. My whole first year of being CG (in that I used BS/ACV to wash) I had straight-ish hair, with an elongated wave pattern or waves only at the bottom. My hair was always greasy and over conditioned. After a whole year of that, I did my first PT, tried some gel and was like, what, I still have curl in my hair?! In fact after my first time of trying that, I posted the pic that is now my avatar pic. Clearly not straight hair. I've OC'd several times since then, including yesterday. The curl is just waiting to spring back. Within a week I'd say. Also, perhaps it's possible that your hair, being in better condition, needs less conditioner overall… that's one thing I've found on my CG journey…. less is more. I use water to distribute conditioner in my hair rather than trying to put some everywhere.

Edited to add: I notice you're using shampoo bars. I find those helpful in getting out any "excess" conditioner in my hair, or at least the clarifying ones (with soap nuts). So I think just keep doing what you're doing!
Originally Posted by naturecat
After using a lot of gelatin gel(I had to apply more after my hair dried), my hair looks mostly normal, except that since I stopped using conditioner, the top half of my hair has a bit of frizz. I find the shampoo bars slightly moisturizing and I can detangle with them, so maybe I just don't need that much conditioner. I used to only use shampoo + gel, although I had a layer of frizz covering curls.

Oh I was thinking of you and wanted to suggest her gelatin gel as styler!!!

I find that my hair after dying needs protein boost. I will wait the 48 hours to pass and do a DC with protein.
Originally Posted by KaZenner1990
I've dyed my hair 4 or 5 times in my life (the last time being about 5 or 6 months ago), and only straightened my hair 3 times in my life, and also never blow dry, so my hair isn't really damaged. I probably will just have to find a balance of how much protein/moisture my hair needs.
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3b, low porosity, high density, medium hair

Current Products:
  • Dr. Mercola Shampoo or diluted sulfate
  • Either Giovanni Tea Tree Conditioner or Nature's Gate Pomegranate Sunflower Conditioner
  • Gelatin as protein treatment
  • Flaxseed + gelatin as hair gel
Techniques: Scrunching + Plopping Overnight



Last edited by EverydayCurls; 07-18-2014 at 10:28 PM.
Naturecat, you said that you think your hair will be back to normal in a week. How often do/will you do a PT?
3b, low porosity, high density, medium hair

Current Products:
  • Dr. Mercola Shampoo or diluted sulfate
  • Either Giovanni Tea Tree Conditioner or Nature's Gate Pomegranate Sunflower Conditioner
  • Gelatin as protein treatment
  • Flaxseed + gelatin as hair gel
Techniques: Scrunching + Plopping Overnight



Last edited by EverydayCurls; 07-18-2014 at 10:30 PM.
Naturecat, you said that you think your hair will be back to normal in a week. How often do/will you do a PT?
Originally Posted by EverydayCurls
Good question! Up until recently I was doing one every time I washed, which is every other day. In the past when over conditioned I only did one once or twice a week, which was clearly not enough (and probably why it took a week to recover). I over conditioned last time I washed my hair but just didn't have time for a PT. So my feeling is doing a PT so frequently (plus now doing a stronger gel) I will bounce back even faster. I'm glad you're back to normal. I think my hair is abnormally protein starved, so I can't say I'm surprised you recovered more quickly. As for frizz, sometimes that is the nature of the beast when you have to clarify after overconditioning. Perhaps try aloe vera gel. I've found it to be easier and less heavy than conditioner to wash out of hair. It also sinks into my hair quite easily. And I've found it helps 2nd day hair frizz when I apply it. Well, I'll let you know if I bounce back after a PT tomorrow. But I was considering dying my hair with h. peroxide tomorrow so that may throw off my timetable a bit. We'll see.
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Think of it like squishing seawood through your fingers.. that's kinda like what over-conditioned hair feels like when it's wet.

EverydayCurls - what conditioner are you using to leave in? Or are you using different ones?
Originally Posted by sixelamy
If the hair feels like seaweed when the conditioner's on it, that's a good thing, but if it happens when just wet and ready for a co-wash then it's time to back off.

I'm sure a lot of people mistake over-conditioning to just their hair NOT agreeing with certain humectant ingredients in their products. Most of my life my hair has had a serious issue against most so-called "moisturizing" COs as they will cause my hair to be exactly like almost everyone here describes over-conditioned hair even after one single use. I never kept track of what ingredients such COs had in common but one that I think is in "everything" is panthenol so I try to avoid it if I can.

Anyway, whenever I've felt my hair is still like "seaweed" when I first wet it and if I can run my fingers through it easily I know it's been conditioned enough so I just do a water-wash with a good scalp massage, and once out of the shower I may just use a gel or a light LI; after a time or two I can go back to co-washing like before.
My hair went through a long period of being soft but refusing to clump or look defrined no matter how much conditioner and styler I used. That was not overconditioning but rather polyquat deposits, possibly on hair somewhat damaged by magnesium sulphate/ epsom salts (I also dye). Polyquats can be the debil to clarify out.
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CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
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Glad you're mentioning polyquats again, I often forget that they can be a pain for some people. In a way, when you think about it, their buildup is a form of "over-conditioning" since by definition they're in hair products to soften and "condition" the hair. Of course, I do see how the solution could be different.

I would bet "anything" that borax can remove polyquats. Whenever I use it to wash or clarify it turns the residue that's on my hair into a milky white liquid and my hair feels completely clean, no more "plastic-y" feeling.
Glad you're mentioning polyquats again, I often forget that they can be a pain for some people. In a way, when you think about it, their buildup is a form of "over-conditioning" since by definition they're in hair products to soften and "condition" the hair. Of course, I do see how the solution could be different.

I would bet "anything" that borax can remove polyquats. Whenever I use it to wash or clarify it turns the residue that's on my hair into a milky white liquid and my hair feels completely clean, no more "plastic-y" feeling.
Originally Posted by CGSince2002
Can you elaborate on how you use the Borax to clarify? Quantity, etc? TIA
Good question! Up until recently I was doing one every time I washed, which is every other day. In the past when over conditioned I only did one once or twice a week, which was clearly not enough (and probably why it took a week to recover). I over conditioned last time I washed my hair but just didn't have time for a PT. So my feeling is doing a PT so frequently (plus now doing a stronger gel) I will bounce back even faster. I'm glad you're back to normal. I think my hair is abnormally protein starved, so I can't say I'm surprised you recovered more quickly. As for frizz, sometimes that is the nature of the beast when you have to clarify after overconditioning. Perhaps try aloe vera gel. I've found it to be easier and less heavy than conditioner to wash out of hair. It also sinks into my hair quite easily. And I've found it helps 2nd day hair frizz when I apply it. Well, I'll let you know if I bounce back after a PT tomorrow. But I was considering dying my hair with h. peroxide tomorrow so that may throw off my timetable a bit. We'll see.
Originally Posted by naturecat
I think that next wash I'll do a PT, then wash as usual and not use any products. It's hard for me to tell if my hair is overconditioned if I'm using gelatin gel. I've tried aloe gel/juice once (I have two plants so I thought I might as well use them), but it left white residue even after low-pooing. There is some in my conditioner though. Do you apply it in any specific manner?


If the hair feels like seaweed when the conditioner's on it, that's a good thing, but if it happens when just wet and ready for a co-wash then it's time to back off.

I'm sure a lot of people mistake over-conditioning to just their hair NOT agreeing with certain humectant ingredients in their products. Most of my life my hair has had a serious issue against most so-called "moisturizing" COs as they will cause my hair to be exactly like almost everyone here describes over-conditioned hair even after one single use. I never kept track of what ingredients such COs had in common but one that I think is in "everything" is panthenol so I try to avoid it if I can.

Anyway, whenever I've felt my hair is still like "seaweed" when I first wet it and if I can run my fingers through it easily I know it's been conditioned enough so I just do a water-wash with a good scalp massage, and once out of the shower I may just use a gel or a light LI; after a time or two I can go back to co-washing like before.
Originally Posted by CGSince2002
I use shampoo bars, which have glycerin in them. I rinse it out (obviously), but could that be the problem? There is panthenol in my new conditioner, but I only tried it once, so that's not what caused the problem. Hopefully it wont cause any either.

My hair went through a long period of being soft but refusing to clump or look defrined no matter how much conditioner and styler I used. That was not overconditioning but rather polyquat deposits, possibly on hair somewhat damaged by magnesium sulphate/ epsom salts (I also dye). Polyquats can be the debil to clarify out.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
I don't use any polyquats, so thankfully that's not a problem.
3b, low porosity, high density, medium hair

Current Products:
  • Dr. Mercola Shampoo or diluted sulfate
  • Either Giovanni Tea Tree Conditioner or Nature's Gate Pomegranate Sunflower Conditioner
  • Gelatin as protein treatment
  • Flaxseed + gelatin as hair gel
Techniques: Scrunching + Plopping Overnight


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